Gabby Rojas just went 6.25 @110mph in the 1/8 mile on E85.

I hear ya! But, if keep your eyes peeled on the For Sale section, modded ECM's do come up for sale quite often. If you think about it, you'll spend $200 on a modded ecm and then can sell you stock ECM for $65 or so. $135 is only a few tanks of gas!

with the 80lb injectors eric says you can go mid 10s.my friends car with the 80s has gone 10.85 with low boost.i can see an easy 10.50 in his car and injector.

not bad,thats running E85? What are the rest of the combo with his car? :smile:

Man, thats amazing that it will change that drastically with a 2psi difference! So what is the next step after 160's are maxed out? Up the fuel pressure? Or do you feel it could be a volume issue?

I'm trying to figure out what will be the biggest issue running E85, stock lines, an a single hotwired pump. Will it be a volume issue? Fuel pressure should be no different just becuase it's E85. So can we run a higher FP to help accomodate for a lack in volume, if there was a lack in volume?

I also understand that there is a big difference to a car running 8's as compared to a car like most of us have trying to get into the 10's. So how much of an effect will running stock lines with e85 have?

When we first started getting into E85 on here, most people had it in their minds that we need to run stainless lines, stainless tank, stainless filters, etc. Now, that hhas proven to be incorrect.

whats the debate here.i think gabby just proved that you can go 9s with stock fuel lines.

I might be off on that bottom quote, but I think you're saying that he wouldn't run 9's with E-85. I thought that a 6.2x should be good for atleast -Im rounding up here- 9.90s if you had the rest of the track.

Cal... I'm all ears!!!
-Dan

my mistake.i thought you were saying two different things.i thought on one hand you where saying he wouldnt run 9s and on the other that he would.sorry for the confusion.please share your information thats how we all improve.

I see. I would say my theory is only based on cars that would run high 10's and slower. Obviously my Stage car is a completely different animal. I want to prove that a car can run a high 10 second pass with a sinlge pump and stock lines simply to prove or disprove the fact that everyone automatically assumes you need to spend $2K on your fuel system if you want to run E85. I dont feel that is true at all. Yes, I do agree the real fast cars need more fuel, but what do the slower cars need?

There are so many guys contacting me about E85 with questions about what they need to run E85. I dont want to tell these guys to crank up the boost and dont worry about replacing the lines without some hard proof. The cars we have tested have had no problems with a single pump and stock lines. Also had no problems with a good fuel system either of course! the fuel systems we run on our fast cars costs near $1800, I dont feel thats necessary until your really turning up the wick.

I would think it should be able to be calculated based on the pumps capacity and pressure ratings, size and length of our stock lines, restriction of the filter, fuel pressure needed at the injectors, and the injectors capacity needs at 100% DC. To make a 10.99 pas in a full weight car, what is the average HP we need?

He has NOT ran in the 9s on E-85 YET...

Give Gabby a chance to run 1320ft before we assume all the stock line, 9 sec, E-85 stuff. Sick car on race gas, hope it all works out well for him!

Hey Cal you gotta remember some ppl use an egt nsome real fast dataloggers to get there info compared to us slow guys . The way i see it with how much it cost to build a decent v6 i wouldnt put e 85 on anything i race ,its kinda hard to take a fuel thats 105 or so octane and make the same power than c16 which is more like 117 but thats just me .

I would like Gabby to chime in on his reason for trying E-85. I bet the $140 for 10 gallons of C-16 is one reason. 10 gallons of the corn stuff here would run $bucks. Mid nines for $140...10.0s for $23 Hmmmmm.... :wink:
Now he can drive as much as he wants and still have Bottom ten, high nine power on tap for nothing compared to race gas. Cant say the same for C-16.
How much does he drive the car around Florida Brick?

Jas anyone can run fast on anything look at the pump gas drags one guy ran 7.70son 7 cylinders . The bottom line is how much is in the motor and how much if you break it, to me 30 lbs of boost is no joke things can go wrong and c16 gives you alot more room for error. If the price of gas is an issue buy a v8 i ran low ten on pump gas and drove my camaro everywhere and that was 5 years ago im sure it run alot faster these days . We got a local viper that made over 1000 rwhp on pump gas with 14 degrees of timing and 15 pounds of boost once it hit the race sceen even at low boost it runs c 16 and we ran up to 28 psi and its still goin .