I might need a fuel pump. Which to get?

Discussion in 'General Turbo Buick Tech' started by SpeeednV6, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    And people wonder why we have less and less vendors.

    On a side note, i always love the Comedy the board brings.
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  2. Nick Micale Tech Advisor

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    With all your BS about fuel heating, where are the numbers and data to back this up?

    Why don't you just put up, or shut up?

    Do you have years of drag strip experience in a turbo car you built, or are you just a "keyboard warrior"?

    I must have missed your car's performance figures in your signature? Oh, you ashamed, or does it not exist?

    It does not take a genius to see your credibility, as if you had any to start, is now in the toilet as you keep rambling.

    Since we must have 44 psi fuel pressure at the regulator, please let us know, WITH DATA, the best pump to do this!
  3. Racetronix Advertising Manufacturer

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    Please take the time to read about our custom senders.
    Our block and sender combo will outflow Red's contraption.
    Our lines are bigger, no taper and better radius.
    Our block is huge compared to the outlet of the pumps.
    We adjust the bypass valves on our GSS294M pumps used in our DP systems for very-high pressure operation (same deal as Red). All our DP units are performance tested up to 80PSI.
    Our wiring harness / solution is top-notch .... oh wait ... Red's DP does not come with a wiring harness/system

    [IMG]
  4. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    ^ This is getting funny. Damn i love Turbobuick
  5. QWKRTNU Back in the GAME!!

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    Let me think about all this info so far.... take the idea of someone with 950 posts or someone with 5000 + and a member for way longer... or should I just look at there sig and see the real numbers
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  6. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    ;) im about done with this thread. Waiting for the next thread he starts posting in....
  7. SHADOWII Active Member

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    I think this was "much to do about nothing" all tho some good info was brought out it turned into a heated(pardon the pun) issue over heating the fuel(none issue)?
    After reading thru all this, if anybody cares, I've run a Red's DP for the last 4 years w/ no problems.(fuel/heating)!?
  8. garyk1970 Electronics Moderator

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    x2 ...well said....
  9. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    As I said,there are a multitude of things that can go wrong. The safest thing to do is get rid of the car. However,talking about all the many things that can happen in life has nothing to do with this thread. This thread was started by a guy who wanted information about available fuel pumps. If all the double pumper second pumps,in the world failed to come on,it wouldn't change the fact that the installation of a DW pump might require the modification of the fuel return line.

    This is an unwise thing to do and another unfortunate thing that happens in the world. Does it change the fact that the installation of a DW pump might necessitate the modification of the fuel return line?

    If someone installs a double pumper,made with two Walbros,the fuel return line will never have to be modified. The second pump doesn't come on until the motor is using a good amount of volume produced by the first pump. If the second pump was allowed to turn on at an idle,you would,of course,overwhelm the return line. This never happens when the pump is turned on,only,when the motor needs it and,again,has nothing to do with the fact that installing a DW pump might require the modification of the fuel return line.

    This is my point. When you're running 93 octane at 25 plus lbs of boost and the pump doesn't put out enough alcohol,you can and will have a detonation event that could be very destructive. Of course the alky pump can also fail to come one,and that would surely be disastrous with 93 octane.

    We have already established that the installation of a DW pump can require the modification of the fuel return line and WILL heat the fuel more. Why are we still talking? These are the only two points that I wanted to add to the list of aspects of running aDW pump so a person looking to by one will be able to make a more informed choice. Instead of ending this conversation,you want to talk about the many possible things that can go wrong in the life of a turbo Buick owners life as though it will negate what we all agree is true about the DW pump. It doesn't,even matter if we agree. The facts don't require that anyone believe them.
  10. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    No one is debating the odds of it happening. The OP wanted to know if it might be a problem for him. The answer is yes,so he will now make a choice based on the information he's received.

    We've already established that it's a mathematical certainty that the fuel will get heated more with the DW pump.
    The reason the fuel gets heated is the same reason that someone might have to replace or modify the fuel return line. You can't have one without the other,so we might as well stop talking about the heat. the return line issue still exists and some might have a problem with that. Again,this has already been agreed on. why are we still talking.
  11. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    Repeated corrections to refusal to acknowledge the fact that the fuel gets heated more. In a perfect world I would only have to say it once.

    The only point of this thread is to inform people of the different aspects of fuel pumps. You've been informed and are using the information to help yourself make a choice. You have nothing to apologize for. I hope you can see the importance of informing a potential buyer,of a product,that some modification might be required. Some might not want to buy it if this isthe case. The purpose of my posts are not to promote the Walbro,but to reveal a problem with the DW in this application. Any one who doesn't mind this can buy one. If they don't know about it,they can't make a choice.
    Again,after many people have testified to the fact that they couldn't control their fuel pressure,after installing a DW pump,Nick repeatedly dismissed them by saying he'd never had that issue personally. He refused to acknowledge the problem,but eventually we saw,through his testimony,that he was aware of the problem all along. Why did he do this? Because he sells the product. He was backed into a corner and got his feathers up. It's human nature. We all do it,have done it,are doing it,and will do it in the future. It was a knee jerk reaction. I think he regrets it. He corrected it. All is forgiven. I didn't attack him. I pointed out what he did. Why weren't you disappointed in what he did?
  12. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    Do you disable it's operation?
  13. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    You should only look at the facts. Please quote something I said that wasn't factual.
  14. Ttype6 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think we can dismiss the importance of gathering all the information about anything in life so we can make better choices. That's what this thread is about. The fuel will get heated more with a DW pump. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing,but it is a certainty. If a person doesn't mind this fact,he can purchase the pump. It's,only, important that he be made aware of this thing.

    I said in an earlier post that the heat issue could be taken off the table because it comes with the idle pressure issue. They're caused by the same thing. Some people might not want to purchase this pump because of the possible necessity of a return line modification. The purpose hear is to make everyone aware of this possibility. We have.We're done.
  15. Racetronix Advertising Manufacturer

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    Disable no. That is not a smart move nor required. We max them out so they open at well over 100PSI.
  16. HighMileage No kids. Just vehicles.

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    I'd still recommend the DW. As I mentioned before,I redid the return to 5/16. Now,keep in mind I'm not sure if I needed to redo it,but I did.

    The absolute must-do was to make sure my Accufab FPR had a larger opening. With that,I just went thru and ran return line all the way back,leaving the stock return line in place.

    I used a new sending unit since I had the tank down. The flare on the end of the return pipe?? ...bad restriction there. I cut it off and flared it for 5/16.

    There is a guy who will drill and weld the proper fitting in the outlet of the FPR in this group for decent money. Quick turnaround,too. Check that DW thread I sent you a link to from the E85 section.
  17. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Finally you stop talking about a non issue and focus on one issue that is true to some extent.
  18. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    The reason where talking still is because your hard headed and bring up mute points. Fuel heating in a TR is not a concern. Hell i live in Arizona and im sure fuel fuel gets hotter then yours as it is just because of the enviorment i drive the car in. i have had zero issues as well as all my other TR friends in AZ and alot of them run DW pumps.

    Yes i wanted to talk about the possiblity of other things that can go wrong with a pump setup you are telling him he should get. Facts, just like the slim chance he might have a overwhelming issue with the DW pump which we have covered over and over again.

    Waiting....... Shall we continue
  19. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    ^ Nick is not one to cover up anything or say anything just because he sells a product. You obviously have no idea what kind of person nick is. For him to say he has never had the issue personally, is 100% true at the time he posted it. These pumps havent been out that long and it takes time to produce enough data to find flaws with it or the application its going into. He refused to acknowledge a problem he never encountered himself? if i acknowledge ever BS post on this board i would have sold my TR years ago. Show me since i have yet to see it where in his testimony that he had known about this problem since day one. You can't. And to say he did this because he sells the product makes you a complete Jack Ass. Im not one for calling people names but too claim that, makes you one. You think nick or any vendor on this board makes a fortune on selling a DW pump your wrong. The products they sell bring little profit to them.
  20. Boost231 What's An Intercooler

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    Then after talking about it you want to take it off the table? Again why bring it up..

    So the only true beef you have is the slim chance of needing to modify the return. Ok cool


    So with that being said like someone else asked what single pump do you recommend the OP get?

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