TSA Class GSCA Bowling Green 2009

some wiring on the back of the alternator wasnt stock......and a line under the intake....is all ive heard....

i've got to figure out how to hide my rocket booster for next year

i can answer both at once.....im the forth owner of the car....
1) dept of energy
2)university of Tenn
3)Race Lutz
4)me
Michigan Automotive Research did the conversion on all DOE cars of those years.check the link on my sig for more info on my car if anyone has any interest.the tranny fluid drain has always been there.....no one i know can weld that good.
I have documents where the car was setup for maintenance every time they(DOE) wanted....i have plenty of fluid analysis papers/charts where they were looking for wash down of methanol,metals,wear,etc .why they felt they even had to test the tranny so often i cannot answer......maybe they thought the meth added so much power they were looking for wear??? i cant answer that.
i had all the proof/documentation with me,I offered it up, no one was interested....
i still don't see why the other guy or anyone couldn't have one,even if it wasn't original like mine.cannot see it unless your on the ground,and isn't a speed issue that I'm aware of.
under hood is where originality should be the focal point IMHO...
Kip i remember where you asked about a coolant drain port....i can see where that would stick out....
I'm not a lier or a cheater....im trying to race TSA fair and square.everyone knows if they had my car they would run it without question....so am I.because of the fuel sytem and hows its setup,this has been the hardest TR for me to tune ever.just funny how my car was reacted to........

thanks bro, im going to need it........

Exactly, take 1 car at a time under a tent out of the hot blazing sun, Have RC and selected other folks spend 10 min. looking over each car in an area that is free of distractions so that RC and each racer gets his full attention while in the tech area. Its very simple guys....

BTW, we may have TSA in November in Reynolds, GA too. So dont think this year as a waste. You would have roughly 5 months from now to be considered legal. Time will tell however. Give RC a chance to work some things out that he DEFINATELY learned as RRA and life will be good!!

thanks Kip,i believe we (Rico) may have bought a small part from you sat too....i take back the three year old slur,I wasn't prepared for the tech session...no one's fault but my own.....everyone should not wear the same shirts when opposing someones car......understand how it could seem as being teamed up against? water under the bridge....
DOE ordered the cars from Gm ( my car has a feet code on the sid label).Gm shipped the cars strait to Detroit for the test packages.when the mods were done,shipped to the owner; DOE in Tenn....10 cars in total, 5 converted,5 gas so the DOE could compare MPG's,maintience,repars,wear,drivablity,etc between the different set of cars...











(1) TSA is just not a speed class, it is an original appearing class to.

(2) If you look into the section (Questions for Richard by Kip) on the main page of TSA, a plug in the pan is clearly addressed. RC even stated that it is a visual isuue and has nothing to do with performance, we all know that. RC even posted (why give it a chance to be a issue) chances have it you where the only car with one, and it was seen.




[QUOTE from garyk1970] under hood is where originality should be the focal point IMHO...




(3) One thing with TSA is it must VISUALLY appear stock under the hood,interior,exterior or any place that can be seen.

(4) TSA is Turbo Stock Appearing. In the begining of the rules it reads (if we can see it and it's not how the car was delivered it is NOT allowed).




Gary's car is very difficult to address as nobody was prepared for a car that runs on methanol.

Is it fair to let one car have meth injection and not the others???

We all get another chance to fit the rules, lets all just be better prepared for peer tech.


(sgrim) how hard do we need to twist that arm? Convert back to stock appearing and join us.



Thanks
Bill[/QUOTE]

the trans drain plug is original to this car as explained earlier.

my car was running e85,my car has not ran methanol since it has been in private hands ....Richard informed me to be legal, i had to run an alternate fuel........i would prefer to run gasoline anyway....
racing or not next year,my car will be better next year...i really enjoyed the concouse show ( i did two interviews,one tv,one written) and now i have some ideas on how to make the car better and more original.
very nice Gn BTW......
Gary

This issue on Gary's car has to be addressed at some point seeing it was like that from the factory and the class rules NEVER specified anything other than the BASIC factory car, After all it is FACTORY as it came like that.. Sure you take the silly minor stuff off that didn't come stock on it and he should be all set!

Everyone should understand this: GM made these for methanol testing right? Whats the problem?

If GM built the car FROM THE FACTORY with the drain plug in a different spot SO WHAT! Then it's in a different spot on Gary's.. Bottom line here is - Thats how it came from the factory!!!

If GM built the car FROM THE FACTORY with dual in-tank pumps SO WHAT! It came like that!!

If GM built the car FROM THE FACTORY with anything else it shouldn't matter just for the simple fact that IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY LIKE THAT!!

The TSA RULES NEVER said that any other car outside the basic TR wasn't allowed ( Looks like people overlooked the possibility of Factory Methanol cars competing)!! The man even said he had ALL the DOCUMENTATION and nobody cared to even look at it. Why not sit back and try to come up with a solution for EVERYONE and help another TB owner/member into a class so he can compete and enjoy something? instead of just trying to get him pushed out of a class and get a bitter taste from this whole thing...

I personally thought it was going to be hard to disguise the mods done to these things to get them into the 10's and be 100% FACTORY / Stock "APPEARING". I was wrong........... Looks like the hardest part might be getting through Tech!!!

Scot W.

You would need to PM him but being so close to the actual date I wouldn't know. Anything is possible. PM RC and see what we says

YEAH! He already mentioned had the documentation with him for ANYONE to look at!

But the One thing you didn't have was a factory GM Methanol test car!! :biggrin:

BOTTOM LINE, THE CAR CAME THAT WAY PERIOD!!! Stock is Stock right? meaning Not modifyied by the owner or anyone outside of GM? WELL, There ya have it!!

(Pretty much in the same boat as the GNX (wait, the GNX mods were not done by GM!! ) but the 5 Meth cars that were built never made it to be sold to the public simply due to saftey reasons with the use of Methanol.)


Sorry to say but IT IS WHAT IT IS...










Gary, Trans pans are EASY to change out if need be!!



Scot W.

Opp's Double post...

1st off dude you are taking this WAY to serious for a guy that wasn't involved.

2nd off that's right a pan IS easy to change.

And I'd just like to say that RC is the one making all this happen and if he says a car is out then it's out and I'm quite sure there is nothing anyone can do about it. I think the same goes for if he says it's in.