Build List for a 200R4 to support 800+ Flywheel HP

[Tim_in_NC]

Hi all,

I'm working on a blown '68 Camaro that has a little over 800 flywheel horsepower and I want to add a 2004R tranny...

After doing some research here on this site, I've compiled a list of parts that I'll need for the Rebuild...

Here's the list:

Master Kit, 200-4R w/ Red Eagle Friction & Std. Steels
Band 200 / 200-4R Power Band
Bushing kit, 200-4R
Filter 200-4R 81-91
Pan Gasket: 200-4R
Stator shaft / support, 200R4
Super Servo, 200-4R by Superior
Shell, 200 / 200R4 / 325 / 3254L
Thrust washer kit, 200-4R, with OUT selective washers
TransGo Reprogramming Kit 200-4R 81-up Performance, automatic kit 200R4 -HP
TransGo 700-R4 200-4R High Rev pump kit (over 5500 rpm)
Pump rotor, 10 vane 700-R4 / 200-4R
Pump slide, 700-R4 / 200-4R
Rotor guide, 10 vane, 700-R4 / 200-4R
Pump vane
Solenoid, Lock-Up, 4L60 / 4L60E / 200-4R Universal 1982-UP - Rostra
2004R BILLET SHAFT FORWARD DRUM
Transmission Cooler Pan

What other parts should I be looking to upgrade?

Thanks,TIM

 

[Lee Thompson]

Imo

There are better shift kits than the Trans Go---All the vendors on this board have some version of their own which is simpler and better.

 

[chris718]

tim this is chris from ck.i can set you up with all the parts you need as well as our own 200 page 2004r manual.we are also making an e4340 output shaft and 8 pinion planets in addition to what your looking for.get in touch or email me your number and we will walk you through it if your interested.

 

[Tim_in_NC]

Chris,

E-mail sent...

 

[jakeshoe]

There are better shift kits than the Trans Go---All the vendors on this board have some version of their own which is simpler and better.

Considering the PTS kit is pretty much EXACTLY the same kit with a firmer 4th accum spring... and more expensive by the time you buy the boost valves that TransGo includes, what makes them better?

I would probably try out Chris' kit because he knows what works with different mods.

 

[WE4]

What crap!

Considering the PTS kit is pretty much EXACTLY the same kit with a firmer 4th accum spring... and more expensive by the time you buy the boost valves that TransGo includes, what makes them better?

.

Hey Jakeshoe?
I do not know where you get your info, but I designed the kit for PTS long before Transgo had anything that even came close to working. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth. I am so sick of this bullshiit that I could puke. KNOW WTF you are talking about before opening that untruthful mouth of yours. When you have the level of knowledge that I have in this field, then maybe, just maybe, you will have some quality input. Till then , shut the hell up!!!! DO NOT denounce PTS or it's products, or anybody elses for that matter, till you have that level of technology.
Another know it all...

 

[85monte]

Shift Kit

Tim,
Shoot me a PM and I will give you feedback from the shift kits I have tried.

Brian

 

[jakeshoe]

Bruce,
The fact is your kit is almost exactly the same as Transgo's.

Except for the very heavy spring you use in the 4th accumulator and one checkball on the 2nd gear circuit you leave out. I bought your kit as well as boost valves.

Like others here I had problem with your TV boost valve sticking due to poor machining and the edges being too thin.

I KNOW WTF I'm talking about as I've use both kits. I had poor results with your kit, a 2-3 bind-up.
I had to drill the band release hole larger to fix it.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150236&highlight=pts+kit+bind

I've been doing this for more than a day or two Bruce, I don't profess to be a know it all, however I am ASE certrified as a Master auto tech with L1 and Master Engine Machinist. I KNOW a thing or two.

What I KNOW is that for the money the Transgo kit will do the same thing for cheaper.

I wouldn't use either as they come in the box but at least the Transgo instructions are legible.

I was disappointed with your kit for the money spent some CLEAR legible instructions would be the minimal I expected. I can understand some degree of difference in trans build causing a slight bind-up or other issue no matter how good a kit is but I had a severe bind-up and it wasn't the servo or direct clearances...

I could spend a half hour here and pull up DOZENS of posts with people having issue with your instructions or kits.

I used to plug your products all over the net...

 

[jakeshoe]

Also,
I didn't say you COPIED the TransGo kit, maybe you had yours out first, I know the original Transgo kit had issues.

However you sound pretty defensive in your post that you designed yours first...

The Art Carr kit is also very similar...

The main point to my post is that Lee stated the TransGo kit wasn't any good but said to use yours. When they are both so similar, and one includes the upgraded boost valve in the kit, and you sell them seperately, what makes one kit better than another.
They will function almost identically, yours having a harder 4th gear shift, and possible slightly firmer 2nd with checkball deleted.

IME with 3 clutch OD, the 4th accum doesn't need to be so firm, I took your 4th spring out when I drilled the seperator plate as I felt it shift too hard to 4th. It is still very FIRM with a softer spring.
Maybe that is why the OD planets break?

 

[Russ Merritt]

Bruce,
Like others here I had problem with your TV boost valve sticking due to poor machining and the edges being too thin.

Poor machining? No. All PTS boost valves work absolutely perfect before shipping. I know this first hand. Forcing the valve into the pump will cause sticking and you to think the edges are too thin.......




I KNOW WTF I'm talking about as I've use both kits. I had poor results with your kit, a 2-3 bind-up.
I had to drill the band release hole larger to fix it.


I've installed over 25 kits, never once had this problem. You built the complete trans that had the issue? How many PTS kits have you installed, just the one?





What I KNOW is that for the money the Transgo kit will do the same thing for cheaper.

Now I see where your headed......




I wouldn't use either as they come in the box but at least the Transgo instructions are legible.

So in other words you like to **** with things instead of installing as directed? Maybe you could design your own perfect shift kit. Guranteed, not all will agree with it.

Instructions have come a long way. They got the attention they needed for the not so experianced tranny builder to install. If anyone had any problems, hell, the guy practially BEGS you to call his cell phone. Weekends included.




I was disappointed with your kit for the money spent some CLEAR legible instructions would be the minimal I expected. I can understand some degree of difference in trans build causing a slight bind-up or other issue no matter how good a kit is but I had a severe bind-up and it wasn't the servo or direct clearances...


You changing the kit only covered up the real problem.




I could spend a half hour here and pull up DOZENS of posts with people having issue with your instructions or kits.

Instuctions maybe, kit performance/quality, no.

 

[Blazer406]

Hey Jakeshoe?
I do not know where you get your info, but I designed the kit for PTS long before Transgo had anything that even came close to working. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth. I am so sick of this bullshiit that I could puke. KNOW WTF you are talking about before opening that untruthful mouth of yours. When you have the level of knowledge that I have in this field, then maybe, just maybe, you will have some quality input. Till then , shut the hell up!!!! DO NOT denounce PTS or it's products, or anybody elses for that matter, till you have that level of technology.
Another know it all...

I just wish we could get Bruce to tell us what he really thinks...... .... get him to come out of his shell...... :wink:

 

[Grumpy]

I just wish we could get Bruce to tell us what he really thinks...... .... get him to come out of his shell...... :wink:

I think he is holdin back to !! Maybe Ill call him :wink: :biggrin:

 

[jakeshoe]

Russ,
The kit was installed as directed, I had to use a tech manual to decipher their instructions AND call PTS. It originally was installed as per the instructions. I had to change it to correct the 2-3 bind up and soften the 3-4 shift.

I have not been to only person to have issues with the TV valve or the kit.

 

[WE4]

I would like that!

I think he is holdin back to !! Maybe Ill call him :wink: :biggrin:

Sometime do just that Grumpy. Give me a call. I also would like to thank you for the referral yesterday. As you said to the gentleman you referred, "this one will knock him out of his chair" which it did.
Like I said, I would be a pleasure to speak with you sometime.
Let me know




As for Jakeshoe, I am sorry for coming off defensive, but we had alot of time involved designing and tuning to make these work correctly. It also depends on the clearences and other factors in the build. If these are not to within certain specs, alterations may have to be done to correct the problem.
Maybe you should design a kit. That way you could teach Me and Chris(CK) how to do it right.
As for all your qualifications, Which I totally respect you for as I know how gruling it can be to obtain, we have spent the last 15 years working with this trans primarily. To say we specialize in just this trans would be an understatment.




Bruce
WE4

 

[jakeshoe]

Bruce,
I know the 200 is your bread and butter.
I also know from speaking with Chris that he has forgotten way more about trans hydraulics than I will ever know.

Your kit has obviously worked fine for some, as has the TransGo, and you can do a search here and also find people who've had issue with both.

However,
when someone says one is better than another, without having used or installed both I have to believe they are simply making a statement without any direct knowledge.

I have messed with both, I did quite a bot of studying up on the 200 when I started messing with them a couple of years ago to get a better grasp of what's going on. They are pretty unique with the TV style VB and the exhausting checkball governor.

After I FINALLY got my good trans back with your kit, and the billet parts, I compared your kit ( I had to re-case the trans that had never been run) to the TransGo. In depth.

I also studied the OLD transgo kit, the Art Carr, and the TCI. I didn't waste my time studying B&M.

You yourself have stated the Art Carr kit worked pretty good. My guess is you took the Art Carr kit with your mods and made it work.

I do the same with TransGo kits for the TH350, 400, and now 200-4R. Some minor changes from the instructions depending on application.

Mike Kurtz uses a TransGo SK I believe modified in the 200's and it works very well from what I've heard.

So before someone makes a statement, they should KNOW what they are talking about might be a good rule to follow. In this case I KNOW how the kits I listed differ.

 

[WE4]

Then we are all cool

Right? Same page, correct?

Good.

Enjoy the week.
Bruce
WE4
www.PTSXTREME.com

 

[chris718]

ive sold over 150 kits in the last 3 years and have not had any shift quality or timing complaints at all.anyone who is plugging the 3rd acc hole and deleting the ball is using transgo tech.AND I SAY THAT WITHOUT EVER SEEING A PTS,TCI OR KURTZ KIT.i use all the checkballs ,but delete large tv exhaust ball .ive done much research on ours and like monkeys to humans(if you believe that nonsense,i dont)our kit constantly evolves to a more intelligent being thru our constant research and development.many fail to realize clutch exhaust rates thru checkballs greatly influence the all around characteristics of the hydraulic circuitry and resultant performance during the 99% of the time we arent beating the crap out of the car.not paying attention here might give you great upshifts and thats it.everything else is out of whack like my old dog bent into a pretzel and spinning like a top on the sidewalk trying to lick an itch on his a$$hole.read the customer feedback on my kit on the website.

 

[jakeshoe]

everything else is out of whack like my old dog bent into a pretzel and spinning like a top on the sidewalk trying to lick an itch on his a$$hole.

Now that's some imagery there Chris, LMAO