Dyno Run, Not Good Please Help

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KyleTtype

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Well made it up to the dyno Friday night. Didn’t go as good as I thought. I started off by on the way to the dyno my car developed a new vibration. Of course it ended up being a u joint. So after putting two new u joints in, on the dyno we went.
After a few pulls and doing a little air fuel tuning I was only at about 340 RWHP. I should be between 400 and 500. My car is 87 turbo t. Some things I have done to it is Walbor fuel pump & hot wiring kit, Blue top inj., adjustable fuel regulator, PT51 turbo with 2800 to 3000 stall, 3 in down pipe running with open collector, stock heads that have been ported big, comp cam 212/212 cam, K&N, Jay Carter 100 Octane race chip, running 21 to 22 pounds off boost.
On Sat. we ran it again, but we were at about 390 RWHP. My problem is that the Hp and Trq are climbing and all of a sudent they drop like a ton of ••••. They don’t just smooth out. We think its some thing to do with the timing. Like it get to a point and then the computer tells it retard the timing. It s not the chip because we tried about four other chips and they all did the same thing. We tried unplugging the knock sensor which didn’t change a thing (didn’t even throw a engine light). And we plug the vacuum line that goes the map sensor , nothing changed. If any one has any ideas please help. I’m going back to the dyno next weekend. I’m having a guy come up with a lab top to see if he can help.
 
Couple questions? Were you experiencing any knock? Also what kinda ets and mph are you getting? 390 doesn't seem bad for bluetop injectors.

Also usually the computer retards timing for a reason... unplugging sensors to bypass computer retard doesn't seem too smart. You may have other problems with fueling, etc.
 
I say the injectors are the problem (fuel delivery). Your injectors are at 90% duty cycle at 390 Hp and that is assuming they are still flowing as new.
 
Can you post some pics. of the charts?

Such as what RPM everything is happening?

And the A/F chart as well from the wideband.
 
ya i'd agree about the injecotrs, you should have 50's on there minimum. 390 hp aint bad for 100 octane. your numbers falling off could be a slew of things. hows the valve springs?
 
you did much better than my 314rwhp and 362 pounds of torque at 23psi, of course i dont have a cam or ported heads, but the car was running pig rich and i was getting some knock, this was done with alky and not race fuel, we also think that the dyno was the wrong type of dyno to use, the guy that owns the dyno shop has it set specially for fords, but then again i cant blame my numbers on the dyno set up, i also have smaller turbo and bigger stall, that may have something to do with it, but on the other hand we used another dyno and at 19psi with a 18*chip just a big neck stock intercooler it did 301rwhp and 413 pounds of torque, go figure. :confused: so assuming that i add 4 more psi 2 more degress of timing it should have made more power and torque but it didn't.
 
Originally posted by KyleTtype
Well made it up to the dyno Friday night. Didn’t go as good as I thought. I started off by on the way to the dyno my car developed a new vibration. Of course it ended up being a u joint. So after putting two new u joints in, on the dyno we went.
After a few pulls and doing a little air fuel tuning I was only at about 340 RWHP. I should be between 400 and 500. My car is 87 turbo t. Some things I have done to it is Walbor fuel pump & hot wiring kit, Blue top inj., adjustable fuel regulator, PT51 turbo with 2800 to 3000 stall, 3 in down pipe running with open collector, stock heads that have been ported big, comp cam 212/212 cam, K&N, Jay Carter 100 Octane race chip, running 21 to 22 pounds off boost.
On Sat. we ran it again, but we were at about 390 RWHP. My problem is that the Hp and Trq are climbing and all of a sudent they drop like a ton of ••••. They don’t just smooth out. We think its some thing to do with the timing. Like it get to a point and then the computer tells it retard the timing. It s not the chip because we tried about four other chips and they all did the same thing. We tried unplugging the knock sensor which didn’t change a thing (didn’t even throw a engine light). And we plug the vacuum line that goes the map sensor , nothing changed. If any one has any ideas please help. I’m going back to the dyno next weekend. I’m having a guy come up with a lab top to see if he can help.


You're complaining about 390 at the rear wheels with blue tops and a 51!! :eek:

If you were running GOOD race gas and pushing the boost up to 25 or so, then you'd have a reason to at least wonder, but not with the blue tops.

Best I've been able to must is about 460 to the rear wheels, and that's with my MSD 50's, in full race trim at 27# of boost. But my engine combo is much milder than yours.

You need to get those injectors bumped up to match the turbo!
 
You need to get those injectors bumped up to match the turbo!

My point exactly. Like I said earlier 390 RWHP on 36 lb injectors is DAMN good especially with boost that low. You have fueling issues.
 
Re: Re: Dyno Run, Not Good Please Help

Originally posted by TurboDave
You're complaining about 390 at the rear wheels with blue tops and a 51!! :eek:

I was thinking the same thing....I wouldn't be complaining about that at all. What were the torque numbers?

Jim
 
Hay guys thanks for the fast replies. I don’t think the fuel thing is a problem. They had the wide band 02 sensor on it. They said it was at about 11.3 air fuel. They said that is rich. We didn’t have any tools to tell if I had any knock. We also didn’t hear any. That’s the main reason why that guy is coming with a direct scan to plug in to it.

The motor was fully rebuilt about 10 to 15 thousand miles ago. It had new 90 to 100lb valve springs in it. My times at the strip are 12.59 at 109 mph. On street tires.

I go back to the dyno tomorrow all let you guys no if we find any thing out. My torque #s were just under my hp, right around 380 to 390. It was done on a Super Flow dyno. I cant get the picture to show up on the reply page.
 
I'd be careful trying to push those blue tops too far:eek:

You should have made a good bit more torque than Hp:confused:

11.3 is not all that rich for us. Least I don't think it is.

With 390RWHP hp I would think You would trap around 115 or so maybe more?

I'd Plug that knock sensor back in too:eek:
 
??????????

Where was the WB sensor plugged in?
When you do the next pulls, look at FP to see if it's keepin up;)

Doing the math:

FWHP X bsfc 458 X .6
---------------- = ----------- = 52.94 PPH injector.
# inj X DC 6 X .85

Stretching the DC out to 100%, still won't get it done. That's still a 45PPH injector...
The torque is down because the cylinder pressure is low.. as in not enough fuel.


Listen to what these guys are telling you, before you join the DOTC club.. Or at best the blown gasket group....;) ;)
 
Went to the dyno to hook direct scan up. At 19 psi 50 psi fuel it was at 890 to 900 mv and at 9to1 af. We took fuel out a little at a time down to 42 psi. O2 volts went down to low 800s af went to 11.3. At the boost level we were at there was plenty of fuel. The problem was at 5000 rpm the car will break up and you have to get out of it. Every pull was the same thing. 0 knock injectors were at about 80 percent. The only known problem at the time was the possibilty of all the l labeled rockers are on the left side of the motor and all the r rockers on the right side. At the time i was not sure what the difference was but i am told it is the push rod location and they may be close to the holes but should not effect performance?????
 
cracking up at high RPM's/Boost sounds like it could be a coil pack/ign. module.

What are your plugs gapped at??
 
Originally posted by Slow91z
cracking up at high RPM's/Boost sounds like it could be a coil pack/ign. module.
Originally posted by matt87
could very well be fouled plugs or improper gap...
...or, it could likely be the valvesprings. With your CC 212/212 cam, I'd double-check the recommended open/closed seat pressure from the cam card. Remove a cylinders' worth of springs, and have them measured at the open/closed heights of this cam. 90# may not be enough, or they may have weakened.

Also...what length pushrods are you using? It's possible that the lifter preload may be out of whack at higher RPMs, if the base circle of the cam, or machine work, or WHATEVER is causing a problem.

Does the same problem occur at low boost levels?

Any one of these could be causing this. You know the drill...work from easiest to hardest.

Good luck.
 
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