good news, but scared the CRAP out of myself

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trbojo

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i've been having a problem with my convertor shuddering when locked, and also a metallic rattle at idle. well, they gave me a new convertor. i only had to pay for shipping. i put it in last night. noise gone! no shudder so far. ok. so i come home from work tonight and pull the car out of the garage to give it a once over and dust it off before i go to the track tomorrow. so the car's idling and i crack the throttle a few times. the last time i let go i hear this god awful rattling/knocking sound that sounded like something in the motor let loose! i thought maybe possibly the convertor bolts, but they would have to be almost falling out to make this much noise. i shut it off and reach under and check. couldn't move it by hand. bolts tight. uh oh! so i take it up to work and double check it on the lift. the first two bolts are tight. i get to the third one and it's tight. so when i take my wrench off i hear CLANK. i put the wrench back on and here, i can move the convertor back and forth on the flexplate. i find out that the bolts are actually bottoming in the covertor pads, and not tightening enough on the flywheel!! i take the bolts out and add a lockwasher and some blue loctite, and viola! problem solved. sure scared the living crap out of me when i first heard that noise though.:eek:
 
Thanks for posting your experience. It is something that a lot of people would overlook... hopefully it's something we can all learn for.

Hope all is well with the car.
 
Uh oh!

Hopefully you haven't hurt the new converter. It's very easy for bolts that are too long to dimple the converter front right where the clutch rides on the inside. Kills the friction material in short order.

Perhaps that's what happened to the last one?
 
Originally posted by trbojo
i find out that the bolts are actually bottoming in the covertor pads, and not tightening enough on the flywheel!! i take the bolts out and add a lockwasher and some blue loctite, and viola! problem solved. sure scared the living crap out of me when i first heard that noise though.:eek:

You think maybe that was your problem in the first place? I can't decide what to do with mine. I'm not 100% convinced yet that the shudder is TC related. There definitely is a different feeling with this TC, though. I don't have a metallic clanking, and I have washers between my flexplate and TC so I know the bolts are tight.

My front seal is leaking so I need to pull the TC anyway.

Jim
 
Originally posted by ILBCNU6
A shudder problem is caused by the TC not unlocking, this could be caused by the lockup sol. not releasing, or the LU clutch not releasing. What brand convertor are you using? I run a Vigilanti conv. and used the bolts that came with it, no problem getting them to tighten at all. (other's had to shim theirs, use washers etc?) I couldn't ever figure out that problem? The flexplate holes might be elongated too? I hope not. I installed a new flexplate with my convertor just to be sure everything was OK. Just some other thoughts from the old Goat! Gene

Mine is a TCS 9x11 converter.

The only reason I put washers in was because they guy that installed the engine and trans put them in. I measured the clearance and without the washers it was in spec but on the outside. With the washers it was still good so I figured I'd put them back in. I'm not sure if the bolts would've bottomed out or not without the washers. I'm thinking probably not.

My LU solenoid is new. I have to drive the car more to figure out exactly when it's doing it. With 2 poly mounts I get a lot of vibration anyway so it's tough to tell whether it's "normal" or that there's something else going on.

The trans needs to come out anyway to fix a leak so maybe the take-it-apart-and-put-it-back-together-and-it-magically-fixes-itself rule will come into effect.

Jim
 
they were tight in the other convertor. only about 1/16" too long in this one. i used the washers between the bolt head and flywheel, not between the flywheel and convertor. i didn't have a clearance problem.
 
I took my car to work today. The shudder occurs part throttle and starts at around 30-35 MPH and is better when I load it up (but not gone). It's really bad when I'm completely off the gas and decelerating, with the peak shudder at around 35 MPH. It's pretty violent. I dropped it into 2nd at around 35 MPH and let it decel and it still shudders. I thought that the TC clutch circuit is out of play in 2nd gear?

I'm going to send the TC out to be checked anyway, but I'm curious as to what people think the problem might be. I didn't change anything else - just the TC.

Jim
 
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