powerplate, plemum or throttlebody?
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Well, let's look at it this way:
The TB/Plenum mods that Jay Jackson does increases flow.
The Power Plate distributes flow more equally to each cylinder.
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The point of the synergistic formula posted at top is illustrate how each can accomplish more when accompanied by the others.
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These are very positive mods, especially for the $$$...around 180 plus shipping for all.
HTH
Aloha!
Well, let's look at it this way:
The TB/Plenum mods that Jay Jackson does increases flow.
The Power Plate distributes flow more equally to each cylinder.
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The point of the synergistic formula posted at top is illustrate how each can accomplish more when accompanied by the others.
_________________________________________________
These are very positive mods, especially for the $$$...around 180 plus shipping for all.
HTH
salvageV6
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I did both mods. on both cars at the same time.
Saves on gaskets and extra work.
Different mods. but I believe they complement each other.
Saves on gaskets and extra work.
Different mods. but I believe they complement each other.
machinegun
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If I had only one choice then the power plate. If it were me, do the Upper and TB mod from Jay and the Power plate. All 3 make an excellent compliment. If you are talking about an aftermarket upper and TB, no need at this point in the game. Spend the saved money on other better options.
I have the same question...
I've done a turbo, injectors, exhaust, fuel, intercooler, cold air, THDP, chip, blah blah blah. Haven't been into the motor and don't plan on it. I do run a PP currently.
Basically, motor-wise, I'm thinking that if I'm not getting into heads or a cam, is the TB/Plenum mod the next and last step in terms of go-fast mods? Again, without getting into heads, cam, etc.
Rich
I've done a turbo, injectors, exhaust, fuel, intercooler, cold air, THDP, chip, blah blah blah. Haven't been into the motor and don't plan on it. I do run a PP currently.
Basically, motor-wise, I'm thinking that if I'm not getting into heads or a cam, is the TB/Plenum mod the next and last step in terms of go-fast mods? Again, without getting into heads, cam, etc.
Rich
I'm not planning on doing the heads and cam, looking to do one of the last mod on my GN .
I hear alot of Jay Jackson's work or of his TB and Plemums, If I go with the ported stock TB and plemun will you still need the powerplate?
Does Jay got a website?
.I hear alot of Jay Jackson's work or of his TB and Plemums, If I go with the ported stock TB and plemun will you still need the powerplate?
Does Jay got a website?
Ive got the same question. Im not going into my motor at all unless it is for a rebuild. But maybe if someone with the experience wants to take a few minutes out and just put a list of things that can be modded to our cars, to make them the fastest possible car they can be without digging into the motor at all (except valve springs) that would be awesome. Just starting from #1 and so on.........until we get all the things possible to add for the most performance. I dont believe this has been done yet
thanks
jojo
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I'm sure we could all get together & answer your question if you posted a new thread on it, but there are various proven "recipes"
and sequential lists of things to mod & add at www.gnttype.org, depending what level of performance you're hoping for.
Read thru the Turbo Buick Tech archives here, & also at
www.turbobuicks.com by doing a search on your topic. You'll be surprised how many times it has already been covered, & you won't have to wait for new postings.
It's great to read thru all that has been posted on a given topic, via the search feature, and hear a dozen or more prior discussions from different perspectives and experiences.
After doing this, it's entirely likely your research might raise new and additional questions...so by all means, post them , too.
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TURBO V6
Yes, the Power Plate works by equaling flow/fuel delivery to each of the six cylinders, so it performs a much needed function with, or without, any other mods.
Our Buick bud Jay Jackson's mods to the TB & Plenum increase flow over stock. Your stock TB is 58mm---Jay opens this up to
62-->65mm.
The PP equalizes the flow, JJ's mods increase flow.
Many people have done these mods first, due to the combined bang for the buck.
And, if all this isn't enough Jason & Jay are 2 of the greatest people to do business with you'll ever find.
HTH
I'm sure we could all get together & answer your question if you posted a new thread on it, but there are various proven "recipes"
and sequential lists of things to mod & add at www.gnttype.org, depending what level of performance you're hoping for.
Read thru the Turbo Buick Tech archives here, & also at
www.turbobuicks.com by doing a search on your topic. You'll be surprised how many times it has already been covered, & you won't have to wait for new postings.
It's great to read thru all that has been posted on a given topic, via the search feature, and hear a dozen or more prior discussions from different perspectives and experiences.
After doing this, it's entirely likely your research might raise new and additional questions...so by all means, post them , too.
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TURBO V6
Yes, the Power Plate works by equaling flow/fuel delivery to each of the six cylinders, so it performs a much needed function with, or without, any other mods.
Our Buick bud Jay Jackson's mods to the TB & Plenum increase flow over stock. Your stock TB is 58mm---Jay opens this up to
62-->65mm.
The PP equalizes the flow, JJ's mods increase flow.
Many people have done these mods first, due to the combined bang for the buck.
And, if all this isn't enough Jason & Jay are 2 of the greatest people to do business with you'll ever find.
HTH
Hey... thanks for all the kind words!
For where you are at performance-wise, if you are wanting to do just one mod or the other, get the Power Plate first. It will provide the most bang for the buck of the two. My mods increase quantity and quality of airflow, but doesn't provide the airflow "redistribution" that the PP does, so I really do recommend using the PP with my mods.
I, of course, run both the JJ mods and the PP on all my cars, but JJ gives me a really good deal on his TB work!
For where you are at performance-wise, if you are wanting to do just one mod or the other, get the Power Plate first. It will provide the most bang for the buck of the two. My mods increase quantity and quality of airflow, but doesn't provide the airflow "redistribution" that the PP does, so I really do recommend using the PP with my mods.
I, of course, run both the JJ mods and the PP on all my cars, but JJ gives me a really good deal on his TB work!
I just installed all 3 and no regrets I chose the Accufab 65mm TB, ported plenum and RJC PP. No disrespect to JJ intended! I chose Accufab for the show polish!
The throttle responce is great and idles smooth as silk. I am running a Testa 93 chip and so far I'm at 22 psi on pump gas with 0 KR ( no alky or additives) I guess I did something right
I also don't intend to dive any further into the engine. Where ever the current mods take me is where I'm going to stay. ( for now
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As far as I can see, there are no negatives to doing these mods without other engine work. I plan on getting to the track this Sunday if the weather holds out. I hope my trans survives until winter!
I chose the Accufab 65mm TB, ported plenum and RJC PP. No disrespect to JJ intended! I chose Accufab for the show polish!The throttle responce is great and idles smooth as silk. I am running a Testa 93 chip and so far I'm at 22 psi on pump gas with 0 KR
( no alky or additives) I guess I did something right I also don't intend to dive any further into the engine. Where ever the current mods take me is where I'm going to stay. ( for now
)As far as I can see, there are no negatives to doing these mods without other engine work. I plan on getting to the track this Sunday if the weather holds out. I hope my trans survives until winter!
Tow Man, are you running a stock converter? If yes or no, how is the spool up, pretty quick? You'd think the 60 would spool pretty quickly even w/ a stock converter since you're able to get away w/ 22 psi. I'm mainly curious as to how the TE60 works w/ a stock converter, bigger ic, 3" dp, etc.
HRpartsNstuff
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We have sold quite a few of the power plates, and keep hearing good things about them. As far as the plenum & TB, mixed results. I ran the 62mm fron Jay with a ported stock plenum with good luck. Looking at Red Armstrong, he has gone high 9's with the stock TB & plenum. Not sure if there is much of a resistance there. Not that upgrading them is bad, just that other mods might be more beneficial for the buck. If you are not going in the motor, then your choices get more limited. Bottom line, I think the PP is the one to do if you can only do one. I would think that 1=1=1=4, maybe 5
If I may interject, many people have run very fast with "stock" TBs. But if you dig deeper, you'll find that several have, at the least, bellmouthed the TB inlet and matched the upper to the rear opening of the TB (which ALWAYS has a very bad mismatch)... two mods that I do as a standard part of my TB/plenum upgrades that I consider very important! Heck... I've bellmouthed/ported the "lips" of my up-pipe, MAF, IC necks, turbos- you name it- in the pursuit of quality (not just quantity) airflow! Thanks, Jay
I have a 3000 NL converter. The TE60 seems to spools just as fast as the stock turbo!
I still have a LOT of tuning to do! I broke the rule of doing one mod at a time and did about 5
The car runs very strong, but I have a few minor issues to work out! IAC and TPS still need a final tweaking and fuel pressure needs to be dialed in.Well, the TB bore can be safely taken to 62mm, but there is more "meat" to the casting in back, so I taper it out to 65mm in back for even greater airflow gains. Yes, the plenum needs to be ported (a LOT!) to accomodate the larger TB, or an aftermarket 65mm plenum can be used. Jay
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Forgot to mention, we are still honoring our free shipping to US 50 states on Power Plates
As I said, I had the 62mm TB on mine. Before the PP was ever thought of, we were experimenting with the flow. We had a design going similar to the hemco but didn't get it to work as good as we would have liked. I ended up porting the manifold/plenum/TB as a package, similar to what Jay said *I think*. Just after the throttle plate, I dropped the bottom out of the TB as much as possible, keeping a .100" of gasket material in there, and made it wider too. Then I opened up the top front part of the manifold to match it. When it was done, it was like a river/waterfall effect. It got deeper & wider quicker, so it fed the front cyl's much easier. Now with the PP available, all that work is really not necessary.
As I said, I had the 62mm TB on mine. Before the PP was ever thought of, we were experimenting with the flow. We had a design going similar to the hemco but didn't get it to work as good as we would have liked. I ended up porting the manifold/plenum/TB as a package, similar to what Jay said *I think*. Just after the throttle plate, I dropped the bottom out of the TB as much as possible, keeping a .100" of gasket material in there, and made it wider too. Then I opened up the top front part of the manifold to match it. When it was done, it was like a river/waterfall effect. It got deeper & wider quicker, so it fed the front cyl's much easier. Now with the PP available, all that work is really not necessary.
