I have alot of performance parts and i use to have a 60-1 Turbo but that turbo had alot of lag for my modified stock 12 inch 3000 converter.I have racing cylinder heads and front mount intercooler.I replaced my 60-1 with a PTE-44 turbo.The turbo spools 50% better but I have to power brake it to about 2500 RPM's to spool the turbnce the turbo is spooled when i hit the throttle it really goes.I think one of the problems is that I have a Precision exhaust housing which is much bigger then a Garret .63 Housing.Instead of changing to a Garret Housing i was thinking about going to a upgraded stall converter.The 2 i seem to have most interest is the PI.Vigilante 3200 single disc lock up or the Art Carr 3200 single disc lock up.Both are lock up converters that I would rather have in a street driven Turbo Regal.i Emailed PI and they said that there 3200 9.5 single disc had a torque multiplication of 2.5.I also emailed about the 9X11 converter and they said there 3200 converter had a torque multiplication of 2.1 and they said no one else tops this?I have not inquired about the Art carr converter.I think its a 9.5 3200 single disc lock up coverter.I definatelt want the lock up style converter for street use.I may go to a little bigger turbo later maybe a te-60 or te-61 but I want to buy the converter one time and not have to worry about restaaling it. Anybody like the Art Carr over the Vigilante converter and any other reccommendations.
I believe thats what I'm using... with a stock turbo!
It spools at idle.
Its probably a little too much convertor for the stock turbo, but its fun. I'm sure you'll see a difference with a bigger turbo.... but the lag is almost non-existent and I can spool to over 10psi with upgraded brakes on launch no problem. Compared to my GN with stock convertor, the difference is unbelievable.
I never heard of anyone going to a Vigilante 3200 with the stock turbo but if it works for you then great.But if its fun then its worth it.I used to have a much bigger turbo but it had so much lag and just does not have the bottom end power or torque of a stock or TE-44 turbnly difference is that you have the non lock up converter and I was talking about the lock up converter for an every day street car.Why did you go with the non lock up converter and was it a single disc just wondering??I was thinking how am i going to get traction on the street if i go to a Vig. 3200 or 3400.Some guys say you can never have to much stall.My car is not stock except for the shortblock.I don't know if the 3200 or 3400 Vig. lock up would be to much for the street?
Originally posted by Realspool I never heard of anyone going to a Vigilante 3200 with the stock turbo but if it works for you then great.But if its fun then its worth it.I used to have a much bigger turbo but it had so much lag and just does not have the bottom end power or torque of a stock or TE-44 turbnly difference is that you have the non lock up converter and I was talking about the lock up converter for an every day street car.Why did you go with the non lock up converter and was it a single disc just wondering??I was thinking how am i going to get traction on the street if i go to a Vig. 3200 or 3400.Some guys say you can never have to much stall.My car is not stock except for the shortblock.I don't know if the 3200 or 3400 Vig. lock up would be to much for the street?
He went with that converter because I put it in before I sold the car
I had an extra converter just laying around and figured why not.
I don't think having a NL up converter is any sort of big deal unless it's your daily driver.
I made a 400 mile road trip with no problems with it. Not great on gas milage but if it's not your daily driver who cares?
But you can have too much stall if it put's you out of your power band. I ran 28 inch tall tires at the track so that helped kill off a little bit of the torque.
What I was thinking of doing is buying the 3200 single Disc lock up converter and changing the rear end gears back to the 3:42's and keeping my 28 inch tall tires.I think with Race cylinder heads and somewhere down the road a descent cam to go with it a 3200 would be the most converter i should use at least with the PTE-44 turbo.
Maybe Nearing should have had a bigger turbo laying around too.
As far as driving around the street, I have 28" Nitto drag radials and they grip pretty good. Traction is held pretty good because I usually just roll into the throttle while in 1st and by the time I nail it the tires hold. Even when I do nail it while not rolling into the throttle, the tires only spin for a little bit before they grip. I haven't nailed it from a dead stop while spooled on the street so I can't help there. Before the Nittos I run running on some Dunlop's for a little bit and they were pretty useless in 1st gear.
With a bigger turbo you will probably have more lag than I do and but make much more power with your setup so traction may definitely be an issue later in 1st gear when it kicks in. You could move up to ET Streets and make sure you have 28" tires and maybe notch the frame to get wider tires for more grip. Another problem will be if you have rear suspension work done such as boxed LCA's, big sway bar, etc. Then the car will be much more likely to oversteer and you'll have to be careful on the corners if your car is spooling like crazy an you roll into the throttle like on entrance ramps and stuff.
I think the only disadvantage of using the high stall convertor with small turbo is that the turbo is always getting a workout and it probably hurts top end a bit. Car is definitely a stop light warrior and is a blast to drive. The car has turned a 12.2 and I think it was in the low 13's before the convertor change.
Makes my GN feel like a dog on the bottom end. Whenever I take people for a ride its usually just around town, so I think the combo is great for those 0-60 blasts.
I run a precision TE44, and a CK Performance 3400 9/11 and it is great. I can build 15 PSI on the brakes almost instantly. If you plan on locking the converter if you take it to the track the vigilante single disk will not hold up long.
Originally posted by Realspool What I was thinking of doing is buying the 3200 single Disc lock up converter and changing the rear end gears back to the 3:42's and keeping my 28 inch tall tires.I think with Race cylinder heads and somewhere down the road a descent cam to go with it a 3200 would be the most converter i should use at least with the PTE-44 turbo.
Murphster,what kind of housing do you have on your turbo.i don't know if you know because its stock but I have a .63 Precision Housing which is bigger then the .63 Garret Housing which in turn gives it more top end ,but a little more turbo lag.I was just wondering if you knew what housing you had?I like the light to light kind of racing myself but top end power is good sometimes when you want to pass some one on the highways.I would rather have the best of both worlds but i noticed a lack of top end compared to my big 60-1 turbo but which has no bottom end torque or power at all.My smaller PTE-44 Turbo is alot more fun!!
Originally posted by murphster My gas mileage is..ummm.. poor. Yeah, but who cares when you're running 100 Octane all the time... thats stuff's pretty cheap.
Yeah, Nearing forgot to tell me that he had to fill it up three times on his 400 mile road trip.
I don't know about that with my 12 inch 3000 stock D5 converter i can get over 200 miles per tank so a Vigilante 3200 won't affect it to badly especially a lock up converter.I don't intend to race the car more then 3 times a year if that so why would a single disc 3200 Vigilante break.Is this about someone trying to market or sell there 9/11 converters.I have heard great things about the 9/11 converters but the Vigilante single disc lock up does not break easily unless my car runs in the 10's which i know it won't.i want to keep it streetable but wild and reliable!!
Precision recommended their Vigilante 3200 single disc lock up converter for my engine and turbo mods.CK Performance recommends a 3400 9/11 converter so I don't know who to believe??
Anybody think a 3200 stall converter would take me out of my power range???Like I said I have a great set of Race Iron heads but stock cam.I would estimate that i have about 450 Horse Power some would say less others might say more but its just a guestimate.
nce the turbo is spooled when i hit the throttle it really goes.I think one of the problems is that I have a Precision exhaust housing which is much bigger then a Garret .63 Housing.Instead of changing to a Garret Housing i was thinking about going to a upgraded stall converter.The 2 i seem to have most interest is the PI.Vigilante 3200 single disc lock up or the Art Carr 3200 single disc lock up.Both are lock up converters that I would rather have in a street driven Turbo Regal.i Emailed PI and they said that there 3200 9.5 single disc had a torque multiplication of 2.5.I also emailed about the 9X11 converter and they said there 3200 converter had a torque multiplication of 2.1 and they said no one else tops this?I have not inquired about the Art carr converter.I think its a 9.5 3200 single disc lock up coverter.I definatelt want the lock up style converter for street use.I may go to a little bigger turbo later maybe a te-60 or te-61 but I want to buy the converter one time and not have to worry about restaaling it. Anybody like the Art Carr over the Vigilante converter and any other reccommendations.
Biggest turbo you could use with a 3200?
