Boostane and Methanol Injection

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Linewalker

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I have read a few posts that say don't use Boostane and methanol injection at the same time. But they don't say why. Does anyone know why these can't be used together? I can run a lot more boost when I combine the two.
 
Linewalker said:
I have read a few posts that say don't use Boostane and methanol injection at the same time. But they don't say why. Does anyone know why these can't be used together? I can run a lot more boost when I combine the two.
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There is no reason all the boost can't be made with pump gas and enough methanol.
 
The question was: Can I use Boostane and methanol injection at the same time? Will it harm anything??
If I wasn't clear, I apologize.
 
Linewalker said:
The question was: Can I use Boostane and methanol injection at the same time? Will it harm anything??
If I wasn't clear, I apologize.
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After adding this stuff to your fuel, What did "they" lead you to believe the final octane number would be?

You see, methanol injection is fuel replacement.

If the fuel in your tank ends up being somewhere around 116 octane and you have already tuned you car for this........And then you replace 20-25 percent of this fuel with 106 octane methanol...........then you are setting your self up for some problems.

There are gains to be had from methanol that don't include octane. And we can go and on for ever about the physics of internal combustion and different properties of various fuels and about formula and mixes. But if your asking a question like this, and you want a cut and dry answer, this means you may not ready for the MIT lecture.

So, My advice is base only on my own good experience. I have found it better to keep it safe. Unless you have an infinitely tunable engine management system (like XFI) tune your boost and timing to a fuel combination that you will always be able to consistently repeat. I would go even further and say that once you have made this choice use it exclusively.

If you want more power, it may be time for new hardware.
 
I tried boostane to see if my knock issue was octane related. I will caution you to be very careful handling it. Wear gloves. I got it on my hands and immediately felt sick. I remember someone having cal do a dyno tune with it and was successful with it. It will turn your spark plugs orange.
 
"And we can go and on for ever about the physics of internal combustion and different properties of various fuels and about formula and mixes. But if your asking a question like this, and you want a cut and dry answer, this means you may not ready for the MIT lecture."

I think there is a put down hidden in that statement somewhere. I don't know and don't really care. I have thick skin. Bottom line I guess is try to tune for an octane you can depend on.
 
Pronto said:
I tried boostane to see if my knock issue was octane related. I will caution you to be very careful handling it. Wear gloves. I got it on my hands and immediately felt sick. I remember someone having cal do a dyno tune with it and was successful with it. It will turn your spark plugs orange.
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Thanks for the tip on the rubber gloves. I ain't worried about the orange color. The meth with clean that right up. :)
 
Linewalker said:
"And we can go and on for ever about the physics of internal combustion and different properties of various fuels and about formula and mixes. But if your asking a question like this, and you want a cut and dry answer, this means you may not ready for the MIT lecture."

I think there is a put down hidden in that statement somewhere. I don't know and don't really care. I have thick skin. Bottom line I guess is try to tune for an octane you can depend on.
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I just read that statement back to myself and agree that it sounded a bit like a put-down.

Definitely not how I intended it! Forgive me, my apologies. The message I wanted to convey is that most of us (maybe every one of us) are definitely not MIT alumni.

Just be careful. Don't blow your stuff up using juices, oils and ointments that produce inconsistent shortcuts. Most of us want safe repeatable results, not high boost banzai runs. If you can easily use and tune for 93 pump gas and methanol every day, maybe you should just stick with it.

I even go as far as always using the same brand of fuel (Sunoco) from the exact same gas station whenever possible.
 
Pronto said:
I tried boostane to see if my knock issue was octane related. I will caution you to be very careful handling it. Wear gloves. I got it on my hands and immediately felt sick. I remember someone having cal do a dyno tune with it and was successful with it. It will turn your spark plugs orange.
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Boostane is MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl) plus a few extra solvents to keep the stuff in suspension. Some of the other brands of MMT-based octane booster have been reported to separate out of the fuel if the car sits for awhile.

You're right. Do not get it on your skin. MMT is a neurotoxin that is readily absorbed and will make you sick very quickly. Repeated exposure has been linked to mental illness. Boostane's MMT content appears to be much higher than regular OTC MMT-based additives. The stuff you can buy at the parts store is usually less than 2% MMT, with the rest of it being mostly toluene. Boostane doesn't make their formulation public, so I can't say for sure what's in it. I only know it's MMT because the Boostane rep told me so, and it turns plugs orange.

But the stuff works. A can of that added to a tank of pump 93 allows me to run 24 pounds without any knock. Your mileage may vary.
 
Turbo6inKY said:
Boostane is MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl) plus a few extra solvents to keep the stuff in suspension. Some of the other brands of MMT-based octane booster have been reported to separate out of the fuel if the car sits for awhile.

You're right. Do not get it on your skin. MMT is a neurotoxin that is readily absorbed and will make you sick very quickly. Repeated exposure has been linked to mental illness. Boostane's MMT content appears to be much higher than regular OTC MMT-based additives. The stuff you can buy at the parts store is usually less than 2% MMT, with the rest of it being mostly toluene. Boostane doesn't make their formulation public, so I can't say for sure what's in it. I only know it's MMT because the Boostane rep told me so, and it turns plugs orange.

But the stuff works. A can of that added to a tank of pump 93 allows me to run 24 pounds without any knock. Your mileage may vary.
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I agree. It does work. I was hoping to be able to run me some mega boost with a combination of Boostane and methanol. But after reading NY Twin Turbo's post, I think I'll just stay with the meth. Much safer.
 
I've ran Boostane and Torco (at separate times) with an alky system with no problems for a year "and" with the orange tipped plug residue , stopped doing it because of the cost of $25+ per bottle, they work but im also getting 0 kr at 27# with just alky/93 ..but I remember Julio saying alky works better with just 93 vs race fuel of any configuration .
 
NY Twin Turbo said:
are definitely not MIT alumni.
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I'm the exception......:smug:
The orange plugs are the result of the MTBE additive in the "Love potion #9".
I formulate my own 114 no led. It not only makes weird smells, it will make your kids born naked.:eek:

On a serious note, I made a comparo of 2 additives, to determine the cost of each, to reach the octane I wanted. I looked at Lucas and Boostane. AIRC, the cost was in favor of the Lucas, to get to 104.
I'm using M1 strait, in the Alkycontrol, no cooler, LS engine, at 20psi...We'll soon see if it works or grenades..:smuggrin:
 
Chuck Leeper said:
I'm the exception......:smug:
The orange plugs are the result of the MTBE additive in the "Love potion #9".
I formulate my own 114 no led. It not only makes weird smells, it will make your kids born naked.:eek:

On a serious note, I made a comparo of 2 additives, to determine the cost of each, to reach the octane I wanted. I looked at Lucas and Boostane. AIRC, the cost was in favor of the Lucas, to get to 104.
I'm using M1 strait, in the Alkycontrol, no cooler, LS engine, at 20psi...We'll soon see if it works or grenades..:smuggrin:
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:shame: Honored to be in the presence of a genius, My good sir.
 
Linewalker said:
I have read a few posts that say don't use Boostane and methanol injection at the same time. But they don't say why. Does anyone know why these can't be used together? I can run a lot more boost when I combine the two.
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They can be used together but your reasoning to why you can run higher manifold pressure with it combined with methanol injection is flawed.


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bison said:
They can be used together but your reasoning to why you can run higher manifold pressure with it combined with methanol injection is flawed.


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I know, I know. I understand now that I was playing with fire. It was fun while it lasted and I didn't get hurt ( nor my car). :)
 
I've debated using this stuff but for consistency I've stuck with vp110. I can run all the boost with this and it's $8 a gallon. My car is not street driven though.
 
20psiofevil said:
I've debated using this stuff but for consistency I've stuck with vp110. I can run all the boost with this and it's $8 a gallon. My car is not street driven though.
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Please tell me where I can get vp110 for $8/gal :eek:...its $18/gal in New York!
 
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