Originally posted by bruce
I still invite you to post something original. Lets hear just one new tech idea from you. You mentioned reading to 700+ gm/sec., OK, lets hear about it.
I suggest that this forum get back to being technical. Where things are discussed in an adult manner. Leave your personal hangups outside. If you want PC, read the times.
Originally posted by salvageV6
I hear a dyno is much less stress on a drivetrain than WOT street runs?
Not to mention more safer.
Any truth to that one?
TIA
Originally posted by JToups386
Bruce:
I admire your knowledge and scientific approach, but hey; you could've cut Steve some slack here. He was man enough to give a formal apology to you and the entire forum, which I also think is admirable. People will be more likely to discredit your skill and knowledge,,, if presented with such arrogance and lack of a forgiving nature. (the "my sh*t don't stink approach" is usually a turn off.) That's merely my opinion, but I've eaten alot of crow in my day, which has obviously soaked in. I'm still learning from this thread, and I encourage its continuance, but give the guy some credit as he too has good info to offer, even if it's not revolutionarily new data. Just food for thought...
Originally posted by VIN7
1) 160 gps vs. 255 gps Less air would require less fuel to maintain 12.5 AFR at 6K rpm (62% d.c. vs. 100.1% d.c.) correct?
2) Now since you have limited the maf to 160 gps, you can massage the fuel curve to maintain 12.5 AFR once the engine requires more fuel to match the air coming into the plenum (>160 gps).
3) The question is: Do you use WOT WBO2 AFR reading to calculate WOT fueling requirement changes to the fuel curve and extrapolate down the rpm scale?
ex. Do you program in a fuel curve that you think will meet fueling requirements to maintain 12.5 AFR at WOT, then after making a run and observing that the true AFR was 11.8 via WBO2, go back and adjust the programmed fuel curve?
Originally posted by VIN7
Ok, now I see what's going on. So the next step would be to remove the limitation (stock MAF) and step up to a Translator and extender chip? With the ability to monitor incoming air beyond the requirements of a stockish motor, d.c. shouldn't get near 100% to maintain a target AFR? If so, do you set the WOT fuel settings so that they are around 80% d.c.? This should give enough room for the injector to "do its thing" if gps should ever go over "usual for your combo" WOT MAF readings. i.e. If you typically run 340 gps WOT and your injectors are running 80% d.c. to maintain target AFR, you decide that more boost is needed, now your WOT MAF reads 360 gps, there is enough headroom with inj d.c. for the ecm to add more fuel to keep in line with targe AFR. Does this sound anywhere close to the tuning procedure?
Originally posted by Steve Wood
What you call PC was an attempt to insure your theories receive fair play from those of us that prefer actual facts rather than speculative calculations without personality playing a part in the analysis..
As far as the 700 maf, I was not the first to mention it here.
As the stock maf has been at least to the 9.8s fpr sure and 9.6s by rumor, I don't see a need for 700 plus myself, and I personally prefer the mafless route anyway. I would be happy to actually require one that provided such flow measurement, however.
Originally posted by MJRWOOD
Injector duty cycles are reaching only 80-85% now, as one would expect for 400+gm/sec of airflow and a 12.6 commanded A/F ratio. With the correct fueling now being acheived I found I am able to run an additional 4 degrees of advance (25 degrees total) with the same 100 octane sunoco and same 23-24 PSI boost level. Knock retard is 0.5-0.7 degrees on 2-3 and 3-4 shift. The additional spark advance will help the BSFC of the engine substantially. Track times hopefully by next weekend.
And the 55's drive beautifully, thanks to TurboBob.
Only regret is that I should've gone even larger, perhaps 65's or 72's. On the other hand the 55's have given me enough room to meet my goals, any more injector and the temptation to push the car even harder would probably lead to broken parts!
Originally posted by MJRWOOD
What have you seen on the bench? Do injectors chatter less at very high DC than they do nearer to 100%?
Regardless, I would not want to drive through the 100% mark knowing they will chatter.
Originally posted by turbov6joe
I know this is prolly a fluke case, but I'm running almost 120 mph with the original injectors, alky injection, and a JC street chip that I know is not programmed for 100% DC, and a TE44. My O2's at the big end are around .79x to .81x with 0 KR and 24-25 psi of boost. I have my static FP set at 47 psi if that makes any difference. Three months ago I would have argued that I needed 50's to go with the TE44 and this combo, but after last week at the track and my dyno session, I think I'm leaving the 50's out for now. As long as my O2's are where they are, my EGT is staying below 1600º, and I have no KR, I don't see a need to upgrade at this point. Seems that the alky is giving me enough extra fuel to keep the #'s where they need to be.