I am thinking about making a plug-and-play COP kit for the turbo Buick. Right now, I have only tested it with an XFI. It would not involve any cutting or splicing, but would require you to come up with a way to mount your coils. It would have a built in 2-step and use the factory crank and cam sensors (or whatever else you have). Cost should be around $500-$600 for everything but coils and plug wires. Just trying to determine if there is any interest.
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Cal, shoot me a price on this. It would be going on a TA S2 street driven car.
Tom,
Give me a call at 321-863-2303 tomorrow and we can go over your combination. I should be able to get everything to you by the weekend. I would love for you to be using it at Norwalk.
Scott,
Are you wanting to use it with the Classic FAST or an XFI? I haven't tested it with a Classic box yet. So I can't guarantee anything. I will be near you right after Norwalk and could probably test then. I will be staying in Goshen for a couple of days and traveling to PTE one day.
Give me a call at 321-863-2303 tomorrow and we can go over your combination. I should be able to get everything to you by the weekend. I would love for you to be using it at Norwalk.
Scott,
Are you wanting to use it with the Classic FAST or an XFI? I haven't tested it with a Classic box yet. So I can't guarantee anything. I will be near you right after Norwalk and could probably test then. I will be staying in Goshen for a couple of days and traveling to PTE one day.
I will
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Mine at the moment is a classic Sequential Fast. (Converted from batch) by Craig Smith.
Do you have all the stuff needed to test this or do I need to pick some stuff up?
I know you help Sam C quite a bit. I'm very close to him and very close to Goshen.
If you need any help wrenching at Norwalk I can drive my car over help for the weekend and drive back. That's a short drive compared to Drag Week Lol.
Be glad to help.. for the help.. or does that make sense?
The Classic FAST is in this car:
Sam Colalillo
low 9's w/ a 109
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Cal, you weren't supposed to be showing my new setup...
Now I know how you did so well racing TSO at the TB.com nationals.
Brian Verson
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cop kit
i'm looking for something just like this. running stock ecm w/mafless pro any chance we could see something for this type of set up ?
i'm looking for something just like this. running stock ecm w/mafless pro any chance we could see something for this type of set up ?
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That would be nice. I would like to see a complete new system including a better crank trigger that would eliminate waste spark and send all the power to the one plug.
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That would be nice. I would like to see a complete new system including a better crank trigger that would eliminate waste spark and send all the power to the one plug.
No xfi here but I do have a set of ls1 coils.
LOL, Mike
There are only certain coils that will work with this setup. I would recommend using MSD's universal LS1 plug wire kit. I am putting together a couple more prototypes and hope to ship them tomorrow before I head to Norwalk. Once these last two get tested, I will focus on making them for other ecu's besides XFI.
Sent you a pm tomj
There are only certain coils that will work with this setup. I would recommend using MSD's universal LS1 plug wire kit. I am putting together a couple more prototypes and hope to ship them tomorrow before I head to Norwalk. Once these last two get tested, I will focus on making them for other ecu's besides XFI.
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That would be nice. I would like to see a complete new system including a better crank trigger that would eliminate waste spark and send all the power to the one plug.
I believe Cal is making this work with a 3 pulse crank trigger and a stock crank sensor.
If you want the most power from an ignition spark I do believe CDI (capacitive discharge ignition) is still king. The benefit of COP (which LSx style is actually CNP) is it is an inductive system and will have a longer spark duration than CDI thus creating a more efficient combustion process. Since the coil in a CNP system will fire once every 720* it can allow longer dwell times necessary to reach peak coil saturation allowing more spark energy to be released. This has been the downfall of an inductive system vs a CDI which has a very high spark energy but also a VERY fast spark duration. This is also why coil selection is very important for this type of system (ie: dwell time to long over heats the coil doesn't reach saturation point etc).
I still would like someone to show me how wastespark is detrimental to engine performance or ignition output
I know the timing issues associated with the stock ignition module and a two step but other than that I have never seen any other downsides to wastespark. I have a mountain of EGT data on my motor from individual cyl datalogs to a DTS engine dyno both with wastespark and without and never saw any difference in EGT temps from going from one to the other. I give a big thumbs up to Cal for tackling this project it isn't an easy one and there is more to getting this to work than most would expect. I am watching with great anticipation and would like to get away from CDI as I believe there is more HP in an inductive system with a longer spark duration. When you add pressure to the combustion process though you need a lot of spark energy to jump that gap!
