Won't Pass CA Emmissions

[VIRGIN87T]

Hello All,

Well I am another person who is having a hard time passing SMOG. Been through the test twice now. Second time I took some tips from the forums and got it nice and hot and had 2 bottles of HEET in the 1/2 full tank and a TT 'emmission chip'. My car is pretty much stock besides the walbro fuel pump. As of right now my car is going to be registered 'non-op' so I won't be fined by my insurance but I would really like to get her back on the road.

I finally broke down and bought a scanmaster and these are the readings (these readings are with the HEET and 'emmission chip' still in the car and a brand new EGR valve & sylenoid installed):

o2 - 109-730 (kept going from ~100 to ~700 then starting back at 100 again)
L8 - 06
Bat - 13.3
Int - 133
bL - 122
Clt - 207
Ats - 128
r - 825
tps - .44
IAC - 61
cc - 02-252


I know a lot of these numbers are way off, so please be gentle. :redface:

What do you guys suggest? The car now has about 140,000 miles. Only sensors that have ever been replaced has been the 02, MAF and crank. Can she be saved?

Thank you all for the great information and support! Gotta love the dark side family!

 

[Roc87]

Does the testing station provide you any of their #'s? (Nox, O2, etc...)
How old is the cat, is it stock?

Your scanmaster #'s don't look too bad overall. Shouldn't be too difficult to get to pass, I have higher mileage than you and nearly every bolt on possible and I get a 2 year certificate when I have to get it to pass.

 

[turbolou]

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What does the report say you failed on.

 

[BoostedEvIL]

My scanmaster reading were far worse than yours when I passed.
But my CAT is brand new. Did they give you the report? I'm sure Lou can make quick work of your issue.

 

[whitecobra98]

check to make sure the cat isnt gutted....sometimes the simplest things get overlooked and cause the most frustration....they did for me

 

[turbolou]

Everything under the hood of your car technically belongs to the government

check to make sure the cat isnt gutted....sometimes the simplest things get overlooked and cause the most frustration....they did for me

Today's standards are far more stricter than what was required when the car was factory certified originally.This is one of the ways they force older cars off the road.You must have an engine in good tune, Healthy cat converter & correct 02 sensor,correct plugs,wires,coil pack, 180 thermostat,especially with an up graded cooling system.High mileage cars have stretched timing chains & the cam sensor adjustment goes out of tolerance & should be checked, The visual is getting more dicey also. downpipes with hanging wastegates , blowoff valves,after market valve covers with incorrect breathers, adjustable fuel regulators,cold air kits,etc. all illegal & subject to the discretion of the inspector whose job is on the line with stiff fines & penalties & you haven't seen anything yet. Wait till these automotive hateing socialists that want all this change get through with us. Lou

 

[forcedfedv6]

Hello All,

Well I am another person who is having a hard time passing SMOG. Been through the test twice now. Second time I took some tips from the forums and got it nice and hot and had 2 bottles of HEET in the 1/2 full tank and a TT 'emmission chip'. My car is pretty much stock besides the walbro fuel pump. As of right now my car is going to be registered 'non-op' so I won't be fined by my insurance but I would really like to get her back on the road.

I finally broke down and bought a scanmaster and these are the readings (these readings are with the HEET and 'emmission chip' still in the car and a brand new EGR valve & sylenoid installed):

o2 - 109-730 (kept going from ~100 to ~700 then starting back at 100 again)
L8 - 06
Bat - 13.3
Int - 133
bL - 122
Clt - 207
Ats - 128
r - 825
tps - .44
IAC - 61
cc - 02-252


I know a lot of these numbers are way off, so please be gentle. :redface:

What do you guys suggest? The car now has about 140,000 miles. Only sensors that have ever been replaced has been the 02, MAF and crank. Can she be saved?

Thank you all for the great information and support! Gotta love the dark side family!

I see 2 problems with your readings on the scanmaster which can be easily fixed,

1- Lower BL's than 128 means The ECU is taking out fuel, so lower fuel pressure by 3 to 4 pounds which will bring the BL's closer to the desired number of 128 dont pay attention to fuel pressure period unless the car is running lean at WOT but for smog you dont need the Fuel pressure to be at 45 static line off I usually set mine at 38 static and line on is 32 before i take it in and it always works.

2- your AIC reading are a bit too high, bring the car up to temperature, then lower the TPS settings down to .42, after that turn in the idle screw clockwise to bring up the RPM which will bring up your TPS up to around .44/.46, this will bring up the RPMs a little and it will open up the throttle blade to bring down your AIC count around 10 to 20, you can also try contacting Eric and have him burn you a Smog chip.. if you need any help feel free to contact me, I also have other means of helping you out, check PM.

 

[GNBeswick]

Today's standards are far more stricter than what was required when the car was factory certified originally.This is one of the ways they force older cars off the road.You must have an engine in good tune, Healthy cat converter & correct 02 sensor,correct plugs,wires,coil pack, 180 thermostat,especially with an up graded cooling system.High mileage cars have stretched timing chains & the cam sensor adjustment goes out of tolerance & should be checked, The visual is getting more dicey also. downpipes with hanging wastegates , blowoff valves,after market valve covers with incorrect breathers, adjustable fuel regulators,cold air kits,etc. all illegal & subject to the discretion of the inspector whose job is on the line with stiff fines & penalties & you haven't seen anything yet. Wait till these automotive hateing socialists that want all this change get through with us. Lou

Tell me about it, I cant find a place that will smog my car cause of my downpipe and CAI. It's ridiculous, my car has been sitting 4 months because of it. I dont know how the hell Im going to get it smogged. This state is seriously jacked when it comes to smog.

 

[BoostedEvIL]

Tell me about it, I cant find a place that will smog my car cause of my downpipe and CAI. It's ridiculous, my car has been sitting 4 months because of it. I dont know how the hell Im going to get it smogged. This state is seriously jacked when it comes to smog.

I went to a place in lanacster. He didn't care about my CAI because it vents back into the engine like the stock system. He also does the rpm test instead of putting you on the rollers.

 

[mikestertwo]

Your Scanmaster numbers look ok. Post your smog test results. With that info we can make some suggestions to get the numbers in spec.

 

[Gary Wells]

I don't think that there is any choice between RPm & rollers. He will go by what the smog registration requires, so if he did not do rollers and the registration required it, that could get interesting. On a car's 1st Republik of Kalif smog check, I don't believe that a Smog "Test Only" Station is required. Also when a car changes hands in Kalif, I don't think that you will require a "Test Only" Station. but the next time around, look out as it will require rollers. This is true for about 95% of the counties in Kalif that aren't smog required areas. Lou could probably highlight on what and which of my statements are true, and which might be incorrect. Joe Cheung, "gofstbuick", moderator / administrator on this section can tell you exactly what the requirements are. I'm only going by what I remember of what I have heard, and neither one of those have a fail-safe mode. HTH.
I am sure that Lou Czarnota can get you straightened out.

 

[Instro84]

I went to a place in lanacster. He didn't care about my CAI because it vents back into the engine like the stock system. He also does the rpm test instead of putting you on the rollers.

Grif, where in lancaster did you go? i go to a guy in Rosamond that will do a pretest and not send data to the dmv.

 

[turbolou]

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I don't think that there is any choice between RPm & rollers. He will go by what the smog registration requires, so if he did not do rollers and the registration required it, that could get interesting. On a car's 1st Republik of Kalif smog check, I don't believe that a Smog "Test Only" Station is required. Also when a car changes hands in Kalif, I don't think that you will require a "Test Only" Station. but the next time around, look out as it will require rollers. This is true for about 95% of the counties in Kalif that aren't smog required areas. Lou could probably highlight on what and which of my statements are true, and which might be incorrect. Joe Cheung, "gofstbuick", moderator / administrator on this section can tell you exactly what the requirements are. I'm only going by what I remember of what I have heard, and neither one of those have a fail-safe mode. HTH.
I am sure that Lou Czarnota can get you straightened out.

Lancaster may be a non attainment area where they test the old way & not on a dyno. If everything is correct I rather it be on a dyno because of load the cat is more efficient & should pass easier. .

 

[gossamer]

You should have gotten a print out of the results from your test. Can you post a copy of it so we can see where exactly your car is having trouble passing?

 

[john saleeby]

I live in Walnut. I have gone to a Test Only station in Walnut for the past couple of times with a Terry Houston downpipe and cold air kit. I've passed both times. Send me an email and we can do this together.

 

[BoostedEvIL]

Grif, where in lancaster did you go? i go to a guy in Rosamond that will do a pretest and not send data to the dmv.

I went to the place across from the DMV in Lancaster. He still does pretest also. Who's your guy in Rosamond?

 

[BoostedEvIL]

I don't think that there is any choice between RPm & rollers. He will go by what the smog registration requires, so if he did not do rollers and the registration required it, that could get interesting. On a car's 1st Republik of Kalif smog check, I don't believe that a Smog "Test Only" Station is required. Also when a car changes hands in Kalif, I don't think that you will require a "Test Only" Station. but the next time around, look out as it will require rollers. This is true for about 95% of the counties in Kalif that aren't smog required areas. Lou could probably highlight on what and which of my statements are true, and which might be incorrect. Joe Cheung, "gofstbuick", moderator / administrator on this section can tell you exactly what the requirements are. I'm only going by what I remember of what I have heard, and neither one of those have a fail-safe mode. HTH.
I am sure that Lou Czarnota can get you straightened out.

Iwas getting the car registered in CA for the first time. So I guess its roller next time. Is there a big difference in emissions?

 

[Gary Wells]

I am not sure that a "Smog Test Only" station" can or will do a presmog test without hooking into the computer.
At least I have never come across one yet that will do a pretest.
And the stations that I know of that are "Test and repair" stations do not have rollers and I think there-in might lie the difference between the two types of stations and their capabilities. I think that we need counsel from Joe Cheung, alias "gofstbuick" on this.

 

[VIRGIN87T]

Sorry for the delay guys. My internet went down and the ISP was giving me the run-around.

I do have the Smog Paper work and will post the numbers later this evening. I cant remember off the top of my head, but I know it BARELY failed. Both times I was right on the brink of passing. Even after getting it nice and hot and adding the HEET it didnt change the numbers too much.

Will post numbers tonight...

Thanks for all the input!

 

[VIRGIN87T]

Ok, here are my numbers from both tests:

Test #1 notes:

Thrasher 92 chip, FP set to 45 off-line​

Test #2 notes:

TT 'emission chip', replaced EGR valve and sylenoid, bought scan master and set TPS to .42-.44 (was set at .48), 2 bottles of HEET on half tank of gas​

I replaced the plugs, got an oil change and cleaned the air filter before the first test. The O2 was changed on the last SMOG (2 years ago) and the Catyletic was done 6 years ago I believe (only has maybe 20,000 miles since). The coil pack and module was just changed a few years ago too (they have always given me issues)

The smog tech says with the HC (ppm) high is has something to do with the spark/fuel no being right. I think the car runs richer than it should, especially on start up. My dad bought the car new, it really has never had a good tune up besides replacing parts when they fail.