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Buying denatured in bulk but boy at the choices

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I have been just getting it from Home Depot but can buy bulk 55 gallon drums from a chemical supplier we deal with. So today I ask for it and just to name a few:

CD-19
CD-190
CD-200 Proof
CD-190

and about 16 others I didn't write down. So which is the most potent?:D


I will ask the rep to fax a spec sheet on all of them.
 
The one with the most methanol in it will probably be the most potent. See if the mixtures are different

IC, it would take me five years to go through 55 gallons of alcohol:cool:
 
I hear you. I am researching a 20 gallon drum. May supply the locals if they want it.....filling station if you want to call it that. I got one quote for 200 proof for a 55 gal. drum at $5.70 a gallon. Here is what the spec sheet says:

Methyl Isobutyl Ket wt. % 1.0
Ethyl Acetate wt. % 5.0


Material: Anhydrol (TM) Solvent Special 200 Proof


So tell them I need Methanol content?
 
You dont NEED methanol, it is just more volatile and in small concentrations it does not cause much additional corrosion.

Regular denatured has about 5% methanol for example, and it makes it provide a small boost in power over isopropyl.

So a basic ethyl alcohol with some methanol would be the same as buying denatured at Home Depot, if thats your goal.

I wouldnt worry about it too much as the differences are small.
 
Talked to the Lab guy today.... Anhydrol 4217 200 proof is 15% methanol. This is the highest grade. I can get 5 gal. or 55 gal. I will let you know the pricing for 5 gal.
 
Save yourself and everybody else's pumps and price some de-natured. Meth is too corrosive, and really doesn't give any more significant HP.

At 5% of the total intake charge, the potential energy difference between the two is meaningless.
 
Denatured truly would be the "best" all-around...all pros & cons considered. Always opt for least methanol % available.

(What is 5 gallons of denatured going for...does a SuperWally carry it? Home Depot price versus Lowe's? Any other bulk chemical wholesalers nearby carrying denatured to compare?)

HTH :)
 
Originally posted by Turbo__Tim
Save yourself and everybody else's pumps and price some de-natured. Meth is too corrosive, and really doesn't give any more significant HP.

At 5% of the total intake charge, the potential energy difference between the two is meaningless.

Always opt for least methanol % available.

You guys really like to play it safe dont you

Actually meth does give a significant boost in cooling of the combustion chamber vs other alcohols, otherwise no one would take the risk of running it at all. I dont think Steve Yaklin has it pouring out his tailpipes for the fun of it. ;)

15% meth is not going to destroy a bunch of pumps while 5% doesnt. Pumps wear out. They are designed to pump water or gasoline, not alcohol. Use of a proper lube like Klotz will prevent most pump damage. $5.70 a gallon would be a significant savings, almost 40%
 
If I understand your last statement, we are talking about using meth as a fuel adder, as well as a charge cooler. Instead of spraying 4-6 ounces in the quarter, this would be, at 15%, 10-12 ounces.

To do this requires reducing fuel, (gas) and adding timing. I don't have experience with running this much alchy, but it seems like one would need lots more oxygen in the mix as well since it takes twice as much alchy by volume as gas, to achieve the same power, the air displaced by the alchy is going to need replaced.

Once you have increased timing, upped the boost, and decreased gasoline flow you are dependent on the alchy pump to keep running. This is fine if the pump is made for the job. Heck I'd be thinking about running 2 pumps, in parallel, in case one fails....:)

The best way to reduce fuel is to limit the injector pulse. Timing curves can be manipulated with the Translator+, Max. Effort, etc., but most people aren't using these.

Nice to think about reducing EGT's, and the chance of knock, but the majority aren't going this route. Too extreme! :)

I don't know if adding lube to a meth mixture will save the SMC pump, or not. I have not seen one post made by anyone using the SMC pump in this fasion. Adding lots of lube means injecting hot oil into the cylinders. Hot oil has a very low octane rating so, in large amounts, that can't be good.

The intake temps only get reduced by 2 more degrees using the meth. With all the potential for problems, I believe denatured is the right choice for most. Guys that have been running alchy injection for years still use iso, or de-natured, and most of them are running a percent water as well. Most of them are running 2 stage systems BTW.

The average guy here uses a single stage system. Denatured is easy to tune with in this system. It's safe, depedable, and the right choice. IMO :D
 
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