Fastest Hot Air

[boostmaster]

Fastest hot airs

Drew Carlton was in the 11's a few years back (no intercoller no alky), John Bruce high 11's low 12's.

 

[broke1]

Originally posted by WFO
Calling members a$$holes and generally acting like an idiot in a TECH forum IS breaking general guidelines.

This forum is for hotair TECH,not your stupid little sh!t stirring grade-school crap.I've seen you do it elsewhere on this board and others,and I'm telling you that turd's not gonna flush in this forum.

This forum is for HOTAIR TECH,always has been,always will be.We've had our share of flames flown in here thru the years but it's always been good natured and/or valid argument.You have neither going for you,so either contribute something to the discussion or take a hike.

Well you did call me a d!ckhead,guess were in the same boat then little man,ban me and yourself.

Ive contibuted nothing??You guys are the ones who cant make up your mind about the term hot air

And I did tell you the fastest hot air,Cal Hartline

BTW,ban yourself 2x for calling me an idiot

 

[NJTurbo]

Originally posted by broke1
Well you did call me a d!ckhead,guess were in the same boat then little man,ban me and yourself.

Ive contibuted nothing??You guys are the ones who cant make up your mind about the term hot air

And I did tell you the fastest hot air,Cal Hartline

BTW,ban yourself 2x for calling me an idiot

Drew chill out please

And for the rest take a chill. Nobody is going to get banned, lets just act like adults PLEASE

I will not tolerate name calling PERIOD

 

[racemybuick]

I believe and intercooler is a radiator like aparatus staitioned primarily towards the front of a vehicle, with the intention of being charged with air to cool, compress and discharge via the intake of the vehicle. This part is a bolt on for those who do not have one, and can be up-graded for those who already have one.

ALKY, and other chemical agents such as NOS, METH, and water, are not Intercoolers. They are chemical coolers. They do, indeed lower the charge temperature, however, they are not air. They are fuel, which, inturn, helps to burn the primary fuel at a lower temp, causing better burn, less knock, and better performance.

If ALky is an intercooler, what do you call a 1987 GN with a stretch intercooler and alky? Is it an stretch intercooled, chemical intercooled GN?

I dont think Razor or Steve will boast that slogan on their websites....

Alky is a chemical air compressor. An intercooler is a fabricated mechanical air compressor. There are huge differences, and they cannot be compared with regards to their physical characteristics. While they serve the same function, a hot air car is called a hot air car becuase it does not have a radiator like aparatus in the front of it.

By running 110 octane fuel, are you intercooling your car? I would think I am just gassing up, am I not? But according to your statements, if it is a chemical that acts as an air charge cooler or burn agent, it is an intercooler....So all those funny car guys, or the pro-stock guys who run N/A v-8's have intercoolers? they arent even turbocharged....

but those cars are entirely different cars from a turbo car. Comparing apples to oranges here.

lets try this a different way--- 86-87 GN's are red apples, and 84-85 gn's and Rivs are green apples. they are the same shape, they are the same platform, but truely, different tastes and flavors.

Put an IC on a hot air, it is not a hot air. Put alky on the car, and you are adding a fuel agent, not a fabricated metal IC. Alky burns, and once you run out of alky, you have to refill.....Do you swap your IC evertime you race?

Cal Harline is a genious for running No IC so fast. he is the fastest hot air with the 86-87 set-up.

Lee Thompson is the fastest Hot air with a HOT AIR set-up. red apples, and green apples dude....they are still apples, just different flavors.

so, lets drop the argument of IC and Alky, and lets find out what timeslips we have to credit those cars that do not have the metal radiator like aparatus in the front or side, or rear of the cars that we (or I) lable as an intercooler. For crying out loud, all of you who call names and retaliate with snyde remarks, please, go to a different forum. I have been here for a while, and I dont want to leave becaue I cant have an educated discussion with people without being rudely called names, or treated like a child.

I graduate college in 5 weeks, and I will be damned if I have to degrade myself just to have a conversation with biggots and infants about what mods qualify and what mods dont for my hot air...

I will have alky in my car, but I will not have a radiator full of air shooting into my intake. I will run a stock intake, and a stock block, and a stock location turbocharger, shooting "hot Air" into the intake before the alky is injected, making my car a HOT AIR. If I run Low 11's, then i will call myself ONE of the fastest hot airs. I know I will not be the fastest hot air, but IF i can run faster than one 1987 GN, modded or not, then I will have accomplished MY goals, and be satisfied with my accomplishments.

I pride myself in the knowledge I have gained off of these boards, and from the tech forums on other boards, and again, I will be damned if I have to read childish banter, like the multiple posts above, and tolerate it. People from the outside looking in would feel childish reading these posts, and react in the same manner as I am now... Disgusted, annoyed, and plain disheartened to read any further.

I think we owe it to the people like Jamie Foster-Wolcott and Lee Thompson, and anyone else who has gone the distance, furthering EVERYONE's knowledge in the potential of the 84-85 turbo buicks, and act a little, nay, A LOT more professional when referring to any of those people.

When mentioning Cal Hartline, you had best be prepared to apologize after associating his good name with such an infantile, semantic discussion.

My regards to all of you who read this entire post, I apologize, but I get sick of feeling ignorant after reading such posts, and not standing up and calling out those who slander the reputations people have worked decades on building up.

Shame on those who have, and an apology is more than appropriate for denouncing accomplishments, especially when they are not involved with the discussion at hand.

Good day, and better posts are in order.

John Mackey

 

[racemybuick]

oh....btw, what is a Max Effort Hot Air that Lee's son drives??

john

 

[turbo6x2]

Originally posted by broke1
Lee Thompson runs a 274 S2 engine,his car isnt a hot air....

IF you have nothing else to contribute why do you even come on this section. It's a hot air and this guy is just jealous

 

[turbo6x2]

Originally posted by broke1
1)mods have no right to go on power trips,ask Jesse.I think even he will agree that WFO's comment was out of line....

2)Lee has always ran his fast times with alky and yes its an IC,just a chemical one.Read Corky Bells book or talk to some older GM engineers(power injection)Its an IC.

3)Well,in the last year ive built and restored a $50k+ 85 GN(86-87 engine),not to mention the $10kin mods to my driver,that aint **** though.What about you??U own a running,driving TR??

4)Then its agreed,Cal is the fastest hot air...

I know alot more about hot airs than others that are posting in this thread.....Probably owned one longer than some of em to(I owned my HA for almost 9 years)And ill bet ive given more back in selling my hot air performance parts cheap as hell cause I know the main reason to buy an 84-85(all things being equal)is the initial cost isnt as much)ask ngianpop or national84.

And according to you guys way of classifieng a HA,cars running the v1-v2-v3 arent really hot airs because they dont run the smae intake.

And no,we will not get back to the question at hand,Cal ran no IC so hes the fastest hot air ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITIONS.NOT MINE!!!

Actually shouldn't this read you "Think" you know something about hot airs?? Face it had you been so wonderfully informed then why don't you have one now??? Because you'd rather show up on this section and spout off about stuff you don't know about? Seriously what is your purpose here? It isn't to help anyone, so why do you come here?? Because you're immature and have nothing better to do but slam someone you obviously don't know?? I guess in "Your world" That's how things work. But again I point out to you if you own a buick it's about going fast with class, not being an ass...

 

[turbo6x2]

av

Originally posted by broke1
Free forum ill say what I want as long as im not breaking any guidlines....

You dont like what I type,dont read it.Dont try to be an asshole and pull a power trip little fella

Read some of the threads about people wanting to do the 86-87 swap,then ban yourself and all the others that get negative input in those threads....

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have nothing Positive to contribute why do you come here, to be a jerk??? Cause you have that title pretty well in hand. As far as Lee he earned a little word you'll know nothing about, (what are you three today?) RESPECT- look it up clueless cause honey that's all you are... Trust me on this one. You're not worth the time I'm giving you, but I refuse to let someone like "YOU" come on this board and taint it with objectives that hold no merit or show you really have nothing real or positive to contribute. I'm thinking you wouldn't know a clue if it came up and bit you real hard.

 

[turbo6x2]

Originally posted by NJTurbo
I have this itch to maybe grab a Hot Air. Who is the quickest in the country

It's Lee and then I would have to say Marka and I'm right up there. It unfortunate you have to read the crap to get the facts, but that's how it is some days. There are a lot of really great folks out there who will give you positive feed back and help you out if you're interested. And then there's those "experts" who "think" they know something, but do they really???

 

[FWD turbo]

Well said John.

 

[turbo6x2]

What did Cal run in this set up and can anyone link the post, I'd like to read it.

Basically this person what's his name "broke1", which pretty much says it all. I find it interesting you come on this board and slam people for their accomplishments, when you've done what exactly? Calling others on here little boy? Hello pot this is kettle your black... You have absolutely nothing to offer here other then your jealous, childish, and might I add immature comments. "You" claim to have knowledge, okay where is it? What you owned a hot air and rather then attempt to make it fast you opted for an intercooled set up that everyone has done... Okay so? You knock someone you don't know and as far as sucking his nuts, pal grow up and die right already. You have "LOSER" written all over your posts and quite frankly I grow bored easily with immature antics and comments that have nothing positive to add to the conversation or the point of this board. Yeah you can come on here and write whatever you want, but unless it's factual or has any merit your a waste of your own time as well as ours.

 

[racemybuick]

Moderators:

hey Moderators.....While I find that some comments were out of line on both sides of the table at one point, I feel it is unnecessary to continue this thread, due to it's lack of agreement, lack of technical validity, and lack of sportsmanship. Please consider deleting this entire thread, and lets give NJTURBO a much better, much more accurate response in a different thread. People should not have to comb through the tracs to find treasure, while it does happen that way sometimes, it should not happen here.

I vote: delete this thread, start a new one....Do not block anyone, rather, give all the benefit of the doubt, and if it again becomes an issue, it would be relevant and plausible to deny access or even ban individuals who compromise the good natured aspects of this forum.

Thank you, please take this into consideration moderators!

Anyone else want to vote?

John

 

[NJTurbo]

That is up to you guys. I will not do it unless others say yes. As a moderator/Admin I do not need egg in my face, there they go again locking another one.

I am not sure what happened to this thread

All I wanted to know is who is the fastest with a Hot Air. The reason I ask is, I am thinking of buying a project car and was kicking around a Hot-Air. Don't ask me why

To be honest after members started bashing each other, I un-subscribed to this thread

 

[TRiv]

Originally posted by NJTurbo
That is up to you guys. I will not do it unless others say yes. As a moderator/Admin I do not need egg in my face, there they go again locking another one.

I am not sure what happened to this thread

All I wanted to know is who is the fastest with a Hot Air. The reason I ask is, I am thinking of buying a project car and was kicking around a Hot-Air. Don't ask me why

To be honest after members started bashing each other, I un-subscribed to this thread

Maybe you can restate the question with what you consider exceptions as what mods are allowed to a hot air engine and/or what accepted as a hot air engine. 79-85 of coarse factory hot air, how about 86-7 used as a hot air set up? would say using 86-7 conversion on a hot air engine (manifold,turbo,headers,ECM,fan, etc.), withjout using IC or any other chemical coolers, etc. in the circuit? 86-7 hot air, just plumb turbo into TB direct! how would that run? Seventh injector allowed? wasn't member "bruce" working on such a set up?what about other parts, stage blocks, etc., aftermarket parts-chips, MAFs,headers, turbos,etc.,anyway, give guidelines to what you would like to consider a hot air engine, then let's see the results!

 

[scot w.]

WHY?

WOW! What a usless PISSIN match. look back at all this!

 

[alec296]

i dont who is the fastest but lee was running ported stock exhaust "headers" not aftermarket headers and still made some great power . but as the need for speed he went to alky.
i heard propane injecktion works well on hotairs too.but i would classify "hot air" as any setup that compresses air(which builds heat) directly into the engine . anyone who sticks it out to make it as the underdog when there is the easy way out(ie didnt go small block chevy or in this case intercooler)should get the thumbs up for the effort and the $$$ . im sure anyone of us on this board would could have a wicked fast small chevy in our GN for much less than we have invested in this hair-dryerer 6!

as for hot air there is alot of that in this forum lately and it is not the cars
is it some kind of cabin fever?dont know. maybe withdrawl from smoking up the tires or sniffing racing fuel.
i suggestion is get out there , get the old buick running and go out riceburner hunting. or atleast go have a beer!
some of you guys need stress management .maybe someare just bench racers that just have pictures of cool cars in there garage.

relax ,life is what you make of it.
andy

 

[racemybuick]

well put andy. I think it is time this thread is locked and tossed! moderators? Can we lock itand let it die?

People seemed to cool off, so lets keep it this way, and keep some real info on another thread. People shouldnt have to sort through this pile of *****, just to get all of what Andy did in one post.


John