Originally posted by Turbojorge
Hey if you’re afraid of breaking it, then you shouldn't be racing it. Am I wrong? I agree with being safe, but lets remember one thing, Safe is Slow.
These cars run best when they are on the verge of detonation and when you’re running a stock turbo, 22psi is about all you can run efficiently. Anything beyond that is just hot air. Therefore, you need timing to make power because:
1. Like I stated earlier, 22 psi is all you can get.
2. Even if you had a turbo that can flow more air, you won't be able to flow the air threw the motor with stock heads.
3. It's hot out side (Summer) and you just can't run boost efficiently with 95*+ weather no matter what octane you use.
Like WSLN 6 said, I would never run anything less than C-16 with this much timing.
JT386, now that you've sold your car(s), It may be time for you to get another hobby instead of criticizing people who just want to lend a helping hand.
Turbojorge:
I'm sorry if you felt criticized or insulted by my posting, as that was not at all my intent. If you re-read my post, I think you'll see I was simply in disagreeance with what you advised, and gave my own opinion thereof. I was merely trying to keep WSLN6 or others from feeling they should go try to push their car to its very limits, and end up breaking it. (been there done that...) I even had a clear disclaimer at the bottom of my message.
However, now that you have decided to responsd in a far bit more critical way towards me personally, as opposed to my response which was a bit more sound advice, I will now offer my own dispute.
First off, I still have one of my Buicks, an 87 GN, to which I am rebuilding better and stronger than before. Racing is still my hobby of choice, whether it be in my 12.50 daily driver LS1 Z28, or my 11 second GN. I think my 10+ years of racing and working on my own TR's gives me a little ground to stand on when it comes to offering educated and knowledgable advice, driven by my own self learned data!
Secondly, I was not criticizing you, but rather, I was offering a second opinion to your advice,,, to which I still say was not good advice to encourage someone to attempt what you were saying. I do not know you, or your history with these cars, however, I do know 'what I know' from having been heavily involved with my own TR's, and others who have made them go much faster, and all of which agree with my advice above. Again; some people have opinions, and others have data proven advice. I fall within the latter of the two in this particular debate.
And in comment to your theory of "safe is slow", well, here is where I will openly now criticize you and say you are dead wrong! Living on the edge is fine and fast, but knowing where to draw the line is the difference between being smart and being lucky. Which one are you?
And finally; if you claim to only want to offer a "helping hand", then you would've leaned more towards a semi-conservative, (or safe) side, before you advise someone to push their car as hard as they can, because you heard it worked for some guy up in Canada or Zimbabwe or Mars, so therefore it must be okay for everyone to do it, and at no risk!
I ran SAFE with my 87 T before I sold it, to the tune of consistent 11.90's @ 112 on a stock turbo at 17-18psi and 22 degrees of timing. I think that's a decent pull, yet I never hurt it because I did not get overly greedy. And as always, this is my OPINION, which in this case can be backed with FACTS,,, for whatever that's worth. By the way, based on what I've read in your sig line and bio,,, and the fact that you were 11 years old when I started working on my first TR, it would appear you may not be the best choice to be giving advice as to how to go faster. I remember my youth too, and back then I might have chosen to push it to the max. Ohhhhh, wait a minute, I did do that,,, and had to rebuild my first TR within the first year I owned it! Lessons to be learned...???
And for the record, I think I'll stick to my racing hobby, if it's okay with you...
