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What is the ECM's response to a Code 13?

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I'm having a rough idle problem, but if I unplug the O2 sensor it goes away. See "Unplug O2 Sensor and Car Runs Smoothly" in this forum. So I was wondering what the ECM does when a Code 13 (open O2 sensor circuit) is set. Then maybe I can figure out what the ECM is doing to fix the problem, so I can actually fix it.

Thanks for any help.
 
It will revert to default open loop mode for fueling, that is why your idle smooths out. The code 13 means the O2 is refusing to talk to the ecm. I know you replaced the O2 sensor, but it's not uncommon for people to get several bad bosch sensors in a row. My bosch sensor came with a year warranty, I would take full advantage of it if I didn't want to shell out for the Delco unit (which I plan on doing anyway) Are your cross counts lazy or even moving? Basically for that code either the sensor is lazy and it screws up the air/fuel ratio, which causes your idle problem, or the ground for the 02 is crappy, which causes the sensor to read out of whack, which will also screw up the A/F ratio.

Make sure to disconnect the orange power wire to the ecm when making changes or unplugging stuff, in order to clear pre-existing codes and start with a fresh reference point.

As an aside, I found the following statement by gofstbuick in a similar old thread in regards to a code 13: "warm the engine up to operating temp and take a volt reading at the O2 sensor. If the reading is locked, it is possible that your O2 sensor is dead. You can also see if the computer has the ability to respond to the sensor signal by: grabbing a hold of the signal wire (in one hand ) and touching the positive terminal of the battery with your other hand, then look (on your scanner) to see if the O2 volts are rising and the engine begins to run lean. So that coupled with a locked reading probably points to a dead sensor."

and just for the hell of it...http://www.gnttype.org/maint/malf.html#13

one of the conditions is that TPS must be over 6% above idle...is yours still in the correct range? You can try lowering it a bit more to see if it helps, then readjust IAC..

This is all I have for now...I am not sure where exactly the O2 ground ring terminal goes, but I am going to try to go through the manual to find the color of the wire if possible. Maybe try a thorough search in the general section for fresh ideas.

Mike
 
I'm not actually getting a code 13, that is the problem. When I force a Code 13 by unplugging the O2 sensor, then my idle smooths out.

I will get a new sensor under warranty tomorrow.

When in open loop (code 13) what things does the ECM hold constant and what does it read from the engine sensors?
 
Have you driven the car with the paperclip in place in the ALDL plug, like testing for trouble codes? This will put the ecm in a form of 'test mode', and will flash what the ecm sees from the 02 sensor thru the SES light...

I'm not by my manual (or my car) at the moment, and it's been awhile since I did this so I'm not exactly sure about the rich and lean here, so take that into consideration when reading this! :D
---when the engine is cold and in open loop, the SES light will flash quickly. Once warm enough to put the ecm in closed loop, the SES light will flash slowly, around twice per second when the 02 is seeing an"ok" mixture. A rich condition (such as under accel) will keep the light ON, and a lean condition (as under decel) and the light stays off. (I think! Like I say, it's been awhile)

I don't know whether the car is actually RUNNING in open loop during this test, but I DO know that my car has always idled better when doing the paperclip test! It may be interesting to watch the results on a scantool while in test mode too.

Just a thought
 
Stopped and talked to my mechanic tonight. He said it definitely sounds like a fuel problem.

I replaced the fuel filter and swapped in a different fpr I had. Still no change.

I'm going to take it down tomorrow after work and let him check it out a little.
 
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