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hey guys im not really that familiar with the extender chips and had a question. would it be better to get the one that allows u to read 768grams/sec of air or the other thing that tracks/adjusts a/f ratio? which is more accurate? i would think metering every bit of air would make for a very accurate a/f ratio. but wouldnt tracking the a/f ratio also do the same? also, what kind of flow would 768 gm/sec equate to? i got a older Q trim 72 and ported GN1s. would they outflow this chips metering ability? anyone know what 768 g/sec air equates to in HP?
 
Consider Speed Density and eliminate the MAF altogether, plus a number of other neat features. Full Throttle sells the Translator PRO....
 
I would save yourself the time and pain of the MAF Pro and go to a FAST system......
 
yeah, My car has been down for a year because of it, Ive taken it to a couple different mechanics after I couldnt figure it out and they couldnt either, I am going to leave with a electrical expert to see if he can fix it. IMO I am staying away from all translator products from now on. nothing but trouble in my experience.
 
yeah, My car has been down for a year because of it, Ive taken it to a couple different mechanics after I couldnt figure it out and they couldnt either, I am going to leave with a electrical expert to see if he can fix it. IMO I am staying away from all translator products from now on. nothing but trouble in my experience.


Please let us know when you find out what the problem really is. I doubt a Translator product could have killed your car.
 
yeah, My car has been down for a year because of it, Ive taken it to a couple different mechanics after I couldnt figure it out and they couldnt either, I am going to leave with a electrical expert to see if he can fix it. IMO I am staying away from all translator products from now on. nothing but trouble in my experience.

Does your car run when you return it back to stock electronics? I'd want to know the answer to that question early on. :)
 
gnguy have youi experienced probs with either maftpro or maft gen2setup?

I have the pro setup and love it, along with many others.

I think a lot of the problem is people buy it and have no real idea of how to use it or how to tune. It's not like turning a knob or two.
 
I have the pro setup and love it, along with many others.

I think a lot of the problem is people buy it and have no real idea of how to use it or how to tune. It's not like turning a knob or two.

You make an excellent point. In addition...
The other problem I see a lot of, is Translator (+) (genII) (pro) installs on cars that are in really bad shape. Poor wiring, hoses, vacuum lines, etc. and a muriad of assorted problems, and I guess they assume the Translator will cure all the car's problems, and end up blaming the additional hardware/software if it doesn't.
 
I have the pro setup and love it, along with many others.

I think a lot of the problem is people buy it and have no real idea of how to use it or how to tune. It's not like turning a knob or two.

Ok buddy, I had the wideband connected to it and everything, every change i made didnt do a damn thing, I had very knowledgable GN tuners try and tune with it and they couldnt figure out what was wrong with it. Every change they made did jack. I think its junk, some think its the best thing since viagra, I will never use it again. Before I had the Pro on it, the car ran perfect! I drove it daily, now I am in school and I have no time to fix it.
 
GNguy, Hopefully you don't feel like I'm blaming you or singling you out, I was just making a general statement. The same thing could happen to a FAST system, Max Effort, Translator, etc. :)

I did have 2 problems with it myself. One of the problems was boost control. I had Bob Bailey (the guy who made it!) helping me in Indy for 2 days with it, and still couldn't get it to work right! We changed wastegate plumbing a bunch of different ways, changed values in the PRO, all kinds of stuff. It ended up being a mistake I made wiring it in. Instead of splicing a wire, I just tapped into it.

The first time ended up being a similar thing, there was a little confusion in the original set of instructions, which has now been changed.

Once those were out of the way, I started tuning with it. I was lucky enough to have Rick (Rick87GN) local to me with the PRO, and he has given me some huge help with it. The more we mess with his car the better it gets. Hopefully once the cam is in mine, we can get mine tuned like his. ;)
 
The MAFT GEN II and PRO supplied by Full Throttle both need to be hard-wired into your GN. You need to cut wires. That leaves a potential problem with installation, as many people don't really know what a good electrical connection is supposed to look like.

I had received many requests to make a plug and play adapter and eventually the heat was too much, so we stepped up to the plate. They are available for installation of both the GEN II and PRO units.

https://www.casperselectronics.com/...creen=PROD&Product_Code=108157&Category_Code=

and

https://www.casperselectronics.com/...creen=PROD&Product_Code=108149&Category_Code=

These adapters will make installation easy and allow quick return to stock if needed. Proper installation will certainly make you a believer in the MAFT products.
 
Ok buddy, I had the wideband connected to it and everything, every change i made didnt do a damn thing, I had very knowledgable GN tuners try and tune with it and they couldnt figure out what was wrong with it. Every change they made did jack. I think its junk, some think its the best thing since viagra, I will never use it again. Before I had the Pro on it, the car ran perfect! I drove it daily, now I am in school and I have no time to fix it.

I can see your frustrated, thats a real bummer. I am having pretty good luck so far with my pro. I have a buddie who is running a FAST system. He chaised electrical issues with that for a few weeks last year. Its the same sh!t different day thing. The problem in most casses is a result of the installer. Ended up being a sh!ty ground.
Like Glen said you have to take note of things like SPLICE or TAP. You have a simple wireing issue. I gaurentee it.
Where are you located? I could fix it for your if your not far.
 
hey guys im not really that familiar with the extender chips and had a question. would it be better to get the one that allows u to read 768grams/sec of air or the other thing that tracks/adjusts a/f ratio? which is more accurate? i would think metering every bit of air would make for a very accurate a/f ratio. but wouldnt tracking the a/f ratio also do the same? also, what kind of flow would 768 gm/sec equate to? i got a older Q trim 72 and ported GN1s. would they outflow this chips metering ability? anyone know what 768 g/sec air equates to in HP?

Your better off with a extender verses a regular chip so you CAN raed more air flow. Thats the whole idea of the extender. To extend your MAF range. Even better to go speed density with a unit like the Maf Trans. Pro and ditch the MAF all together. Like Lee said.
 
My $.02CDN

hey guys im not really that familiar with the extender chips and had a question. would it be better to get the one that allows u to read 768grams/sec of air or the other thing that tracks/adjusts a/f ratio? which is more accurate? i would think metering every bit of air would make for a very accurate a/f ratio. but wouldnt tracking the a/f ratio also do the same? also, what kind of flow would 768 gm/sec equate to? i got a older Q trim 72 and ported GN1s. would they outflow this chips metering ability? anyone know what 768 g/sec air equates to in HP?

This will likely be a source of debate but in my opinion you are indeed correct in saying that metering every bit of air would indeed make for an accurate a/f ratio. However with our cars there are limitations to that, namely the MAF circuitry in the ECM. Really there is only 1gm/sec accuracy for up to 255gm/sec, to go to 512gm/sec that accuracy goes to 2gm/sec and to go to 768 that accuracy goes to 3gm/sec. Also the MAF meter itself can have a slow response time in WOT throttle situations.

For part throttle (cruising etc), a MAF type system would likely give you better fuel efficiency and driveability since the amount of fuel delivery is calculated based on an actual measured air delivery.

Keep in mind too that the ECM in our cars was designed to behave with no closed loop WOT, add to that the narrowband O2 for part throttle and it relies more heavily on the MAF reading.

Now enter speed density and consider that it makes it's fuel delivery decisions based on Manifold pressure (MAP) and manifold temperature (MAT) to calculate the Volume of air in the engine (this is oversimplified of course) and then makes fuel adjustments accordingly.

This makes for a robust, fast response system but is somewhat inaccurate, now if you add the a wideband O2 (an accurate a/f measure) to do the short term trim adjustments and you can have the best of both worlds.

This is my understanding, I am sure I may have some points off, but I think I am at least close.

Also in direct response to your question, we had a PT67 with GN1's at 25psi boost and it flowed in the low 600s gm/sec.
 
This will likely be a source of debate but in my opinion you are indeed correct in saying that metering every bit of air would indeed make for an accurate a/f ratio. However with our cars there are limitations to that, namely the MAF circuitry in the ECM. Really there is only 1gm/sec accuracy for up to 255gm/sec, to go to 512gm/sec that accuracy goes to 2gm/sec and to go to 768 that accuracy goes to 3gm/sec. Also the MAF meter itself can have a slow response time in WOT throttle situations.

For part throttle (cruising etc), a MAF type system would likely give you better fuel efficiency and driveability since the amount of fuel delivery is calculated based on an actual measured air delivery.

Keep in mind too that the ECM in our cars was designed to behave with no closed loop WOT, add to that the narrowband O2 for part throttle and it relies more heavily on the MAF reading.

Now enter speed density and consider that it makes it's fuel delivery decisions based on Manifold pressure (MAP) and manifold temperature (MAT) to calculate the Volume of air in the engine (this is oversimplified of course) and then makes fuel adjustments accordingly.

This makes for a robust, fast response system but is somewhat inaccurate, now if you add the a wideband O2 (an accurate a/f measure) to do the short term trim adjustments and you can have the best of both worlds.

This is my understanding, I am sure I may have some points off, but I think I am at least close.

Also in direct response to your question, we had a PT67 with GN1's at 25psi boost and it flowed in the low 600s gm/sec.

Very well said Mike
 
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