THere is a local guy coming to look tomorrow. If he doesn't take them I'll let you guys know. nu2gn, I'm not going to go any lower in price, sorry. Royal6, I'll let you know shipping if the local guy doesn't take them, and kietzman, They were gold before, as far as removing the black without removing the original paint, I don't know. You can always repaint them back to gold though. Thanks everyone, I'll keep you posted.