alky kit not working correctly

[unfair]

Hello everyone. Here is the deal. I have bene running RAZOR's alky kit for the past 8 months and now i have run into a bit of trouble. for some reason the AFR's are not dropping under boost. I did test on the highway and at 16psi my AFR's stayed the same with the kit on and off. i even maxed out the PAC controller and still the same results. i also held in the test button and the AFR's stayed the same.

I don't know what the deal is. I haven't used the kit for a while and before this the AFR's would dump into the 10's with me holding the test button or under boost they would fall as well.

I have a 100% methanol in the tank right now and i don't know what brand it is cause i got it free from my speed shop and it was in a different container.

I'm using the GM 3 BAR MAP sensor to activate my kit and the light does come on when i hit 4psi of boost. I can't tell if the light is getting brighter under more boost.

Also i removed the line from the nozzle and i hit the test button. The methanol was pulsating out. (is that normal?)

any suggestions and thank you for your time.

 

[WeSS]

alky

Does the motor stumble when you are idling & you hit the test button? Is this kit installed properly? I.E. the tank, pump, & nozzle location. There have been updates. Contact Julio monday for info.

 

[unfair]

yea, the kit is installed correclty. i use to use it alllthe time and now it's not working correctly. i'll give razor a call monday. thank you

 

[unfair]

well after futher review, i found the pump is kicking on but not pumping methanol. i guess i'll pull it off and inspect it.

btw.. is this forum usually this slow.. like 80 views and 1 relpy. what a ****ty place

 

[WeSS]

nah

well after futher review, i found the pump is kicking on but not pumping methanol. i guess i'll pull it off and inspect it.

btw.. is this forum usually this slow.. like 80 views and 1 relpy. what a ****ty place

just the weekend thing. The pump needs to be sent to julio for tlc. I dont want to get into it here but if that is what you found then it can be taken care of quickly. Hit Julio up on the phone tomorrow & get the arrangements made & you will be taken care of.

 

[Grumpy]

simple fix .. thats why ya test the system everyday

 

[1bd87]

Big Bang

If for some reason the spray system of choice stops spraying your favorite engine builder gets to build you a new motor especually if you have an alky chip.
Going back to race gas.
New motor forged crank billett caps Diamond pistons H beam rods Champion heads roller cam & rockers new headers BIG TURBO

 

[Razor]

If C16 would end all blowing your engine issues.. line me up for 10 barrels.

Bad fuel pump's', bad FP regulators, bad grounds, bad coilpack, bad injector, bad ignition module, bad vacuum hoses, bad plugs, bad spark plug wires, shorts in wiring, bad tune, bad chip, bad ecm, etc.. all electrical items if they fail can cuase your motor to go boooom.

That is why each of the systems is tested.. and you dont always have your setup on 110% set to kill.. cuase if you do.. you will blow up sooner than latter.

Look at Nascar.. how many of the top teams cant finish a race with the best of the best for parts and tuning. There is no mechanical part made that cannot fail. The best we can do is watch what we're doing, and that hightened sense of awareness is what saves some of us. There is risk involved in racing an engine, higher boost increases the risk.

Unfair, didnt get a call from you. Guess you fixed it

 

[1bd87]

I agree

Any or all could have been bad bottom line motor needs to be built. I don't run my car alot on trips maybe weekly to a car show or two but I've had this setup for two years now all of what you listed is new I don't fool around with used parts and I buy the best I can, I believe the alcohol system I had cost over $500 but I had to be sent a second set of valves for the pump as the first set swelled up and wouldn’t pump so yes anything can go bad. That was my first experience with what a lean GN sounds like. I’m not saying to use these systems is bad but only user beware. I’ll stick with 118 proof gas. And if the mood strikes to take a trip I’ll have a street chip in the glove box. I’m not spending $10.000 on a motor to hear it go boom. And when I go out I’m loaded for bear, you can’t run with the big dogs and pee like a puppy.

 

[Grumpy]

Any or all could have been bad bottom line motor needs to be built. I don't run my car alot on trips maybe weekly to a car show or two but I've had this setup for two years now all of what you listed is new I don't fool around with used parts and I buy the best I can, I believe the alcohol system I had cost over $500 but I had to be sent a second set of valves for the pump as the first set swelled up and wouldn’t pump so yes anything can go bad. That was my first experience with what a lean GN sounds like. I’m not saying to use these systems is bad but only user beware. I’ll stick with 118 proof gas. And if the mood strikes to take a trip I’ll have a street chip in the glove box. I’m not spending $10.000 on a motor to hear it go boom. And when I go out I’m loaded for bear, you can’t run with the big dogs and pee like a puppy.

ummmm...you don't think new parts break ??? I do drive my cars everyday so I want something there .. guess Ill have to finish this ol stage 2 after I fix a $4500 set of heads on it ... wait a minute... maybe nothing is wrong with them since they were new and big bucks

 

[im faster]

what is afr... what does it stand for... and how does alky lower it...

 

[1bd87]

ummmm...you don't think new parts break ??? I do drive my cars everyday so I want something there .. guess Ill have to finish this ol stage 2 after I fix a $4500 set of heads on it ... wait a minute... maybe nothing is wrong with them since they were new and big bucks

Wow you spent $4500 on heads WOW where do I get a set. In my younger days when I couldn’t afford a pack of smokes most of the cars I bought had the motor apart in the trunk. I know what it’s like to build a motor or tranny because I did it myself. Maybe you remember the days of 396 Camaro RS SS with a rock crusher 4 speed or a 68 440 tunnel ram Super Bee Ya I know what’s it like not to be able to afford the best but I made these cars out of a pile of parts and they ran like bears. Now I have finicky GN with an off the wall tranny that is at best black magic to make work and motors trying and succeeding to put out over 500 horse out of a 6 cyl block meant to put out 300. WOW nothing could go wrong there. So I’m not one to give up I refinance the house have a well known person build me a motor I’ll be paying for the next 4 years because it’s got inherent problems I can’t fix. I tell it like I see it You guys want to run these alcohol systems do it I’ll play it safe. By the way I work for a living and I drive my car every day but it's not the GN.

 

[Razor]

im faster, AFR=Air Fuel Ratio. Alcohol is a fuel. Adding a fuel richens the air fuel ratio.

If you have a lot of money tied up in an engine, then create layers of safe guards.

Perfect example, buy an aftermarket computer with a wide band.. and if the motor decides to go lean, have it dump in fuel hard. My FAST will drop in up to an additional 25% fuel if it senses a lean condition. I run an audible knock detector, quiet running engine, etc.. If it doesnt feel rite.. I lift. I also make my first few passes at 18-20 PSI.. doing so if something has changed.. I can catch it. In car boost controller lets me dial the boost..

The best engine in the world with a bad tuneup will come apart. Invest in your safety net, this is how to make 500 HP on a V6 and possibly live. It is better in the long run to invest in electronics than it is in parts.. when it comes to these motors. If you dont have a lot of money tied up into the motor.. then you can be a little more reckless..

Sorry to hear about your motor, I have had mine apart more than a few times from getting too greedy, but understood when I put my foot down.. there could be consequences. Its part of learning on these motors/cars.. once you break that 11.0 barrier for power.. be on top of your game.. or else.

 

[1bd87]

im faster, AFR=Air Fuel Ratio. Alcohol is a fuel. Adding a fuel richens the air fuel ratio.

If you have a lot of money tied up in an engine, then create layers of safe guards.

Perfect example, buy an aftermarket computer with a wide band.. and if the motor decides to go lean, have it dump in fuel hard. My FAST will drop in up to an additional 25% fuel if it senses a lean condition. I run an audible knock detector, quiet running engine, etc.. If it doesnt feel rite.. I lift. I also make my first few passes at 18-20 PSI.. doing so if something has changed.. I can catch it. In car boost controller lets me dial the boost..

The best engine in the world with a bad tuneup will come apart. Invest in your safety net, this is how to make 500 HP on a V6 and possibly live. It is better in the long run to invest in electronics than it is in parts.. when it comes to these motors. If you dont have a lot of money tied up into the motor.. then you can be a little more reckless..

Sorry to hear about your motor, I have had mine apart more than a few times from getting too greedy, but understood when I put my foot down.. there could be consequences. Its part of learning on these motors/cars.. once you break that 11.0 barrier for power.. be on top of your game.. or else.

Finally the reply I’ve been waiting for. When you modify these cars beyond their 14 to 16 psi boost you can have problems. Most is in the fuel delivery system. You are dependent on the chip maker to make a good guess based upon previous attempts. Now add in alcohol injection and you further the problem of the guess. Is the car owner running straight meth, ethyl 50/50 or some combination of them. What boost is he really seeing driving a car going sideways down the road, at best a wild ride not a lot of time to look at gages. So now your saying to use the FAST controller yes I agree. This is what missing in all the ads for alcohol injection, if something goes bad at 25# it will most likely take out your motor. Most guys like myself listen to the sales pitch the we never had a problem with these systems working in the field and the systems work out of the box for a while then booom. I had never heard of a FAST system until it was too late and yes I agree you can spend $10,000 on a built proof motor to be taken out by a simple lean condition what ever the cause. This should be part of the sales pitch you may survive at 14# but at 25 or 30 kiss your motor goodbye. Most people don't have a race track to test thier set up so we need to find asomewhat safe place to test and that in itself is a problem

 

[Pronto]

Well then maybe you should run your car stock so you won't fall victim to any sales pitch and not have to spend 10k to rebuild it.

 

[1bd87]

Hey I'm 48 and I don't give up easy. You guys miss the point I'm not down on the cars just am tired of smoke being blow up my butt. I'll make this car run again like it did defore alcohol and Hype and ya I know someone will say I don't know how to tune a car. I had started getting old and lazy no more the game face is on and the car will be brought back and I don't mind spending money as long as when I say I don't care what it costs as long as it works IT BETTER WORK. A transmission company found out the hard way sent me a doa tranny and kept blowing me off for service. I kept the tranny the credit card company returned my money. Went out gat a working tranny I just learned to play the game.

 

[Squid4life]

Hey I'm 48 and I don't give up easy. You guys miss the point I'm not down on the cars just am tired of smoke being blow up my butt. I'll make this car run again like it did defore alcohol and Hype and ya I know someone will say I don't know how to tune a car. I had started getting old and lazy no more the game face is on and the car will be brought back and I don't mind spending money as long as when I say I don't care what it costs as long as it works IT BETTER WORK. A transmission company found out the hard way sent me a doa tranny and kept blowing me off for service. I kept the tranny the credit card company returned my money. Went out gat a working tranny I just learned to play the game.

Out of all your posts on this thread, I am still unsure how you are helping "unfair"...

If you have had issues, that is great to hear about. Maybe a "be careful when you _____ or you may ______", I could understand that. But your replies aren't really helpful from what I have read.

Whether you mod the car with alky, or a turbo, or anything else you stand the risk of blowing it up. When you get the itch for more, you run the risk. Regardless of what you have.

I don't hear any sales pitches on this thread, so let's stick to helping answer the question(s) at hand.

 

[Grumpy]

Wow you spent $4500 on heads WOW where do I get a set. In my younger days when I couldn’t afford a pack of smokes most of the cars I bought had the motor apart in the trunk. I know what it’s like to build a motor or tranny because I did it myself. Maybe you remember the days of 396 Camaro RS SS with a rock crusher 4 speed or a 68 440 tunnel ram Super Bee Ya I know what’s it like not to be able to afford the best but I made these cars out of a pile of parts and they ran like bears. Now I have finicky GN with an off the wall tranny that is at best black magic to make work and motors trying and succeeding to put out over 500 horse out of a 6 cyl block meant to put out 300. WOW nothing could go wrong there. So I’m not one to give up I refinance the house have a well known person build me a motor I’ll be paying for the next 4 years because it’s got inherent problems I can’t fix. I tell it like I see it You guys want to run these alcohol systems do it I’ll play it safe. By the way I work for a living and I drive my car every day but it's not the GN.

$4500 in a set of heads???? ya you can go buy a set of 14 bolt Champion alum heads and have a well know "head" guy do them up try getting out of the 60's
Nah I don't remember BB Camaro's .. I was a Ford guy .. 427 AC Cobra's, 427 428 Shelby GT 500 Cobra Jets, 68 1/2 Cobra Jet's , 69-70 Mach 1 CJ's ..
ummmm wifes and daughter Buick beater's (3 winter and 3 summer cars) run mid 11s in street trim with stock motors and drag radials... didn't refinance the house either .. they are beaters ...
I guess your one of the guys that show up at the track an run 14-15s with your 15#s of boost

 

[Grumpy]

ummmm guys way back in 86 when they were new they were blown up a LOT !!! IF your afraid of blowin up just go to car shows and enjoy putting around town "lookin" bad

 

[Razor]

Blowing head gaskets doesnt always mean replacing an engine, it also doesnt mean replacing it with a 10K engine. Lord knows how many of us have blown HG's and replaced the gaskets. My old TTA had probably 3-4 sets of HG's go out from different things.. all we did was lift the heads.. change the gaskets.. clean out the engine.. and away we went. Actually last time that car blew a head gasket was in Nov '04 at the Buick event in Reynolds Ga.. Second pass of the day.. had a glitch in the ecm due to a DS issue.. right at the track we changed the HG's.. was racing it on Saturday.. those gaskets are still on that motor.. it just ran a 10.99 a few months ago.. no biggie.

Any system can fail, there is no hype or sales pitch. My FAST took a dump before Reynolds last Nov.. did I worry.. nope.. a buddy flew down with one.. the car ran the numbers in my sig with a borrowed ECU.

Start at low boost and work your way up, follow this advice.. it will live a very long time.

A 45 dollar audible knock detector may have saved your engine if you cant look at guages. But going to the many Buick events I attend.. how many times do I see a car going down the track.. PA..PAAPPAAA...PPAAPPAA..PAAPPAA.. we're all yelling LIFT.. and the guy stays in it till a trail of white smoke comes out the back... No fast or anything can prevent it from popping when the pedal is determined to stay down.