Conservatives turning on Bushbaby

[suprbuick7]

Dude you make me laugh, who owns that newspaper Rev. Sung yung moon?????? I bet this same story ran on FOX and in the Wash times! GOP rag, you might have had me but the ending was really sweetened up w/ GOP rhetoric about how dangerous his ALA missions were. ROFLMAO

 

[UNGN]

Bush didn't fly in Alabama. How many times do I have to say it. They didn't have 102's.

Even Texas was geting rid of their 102's and Bush would have to learn to fly 101's (dual engine, different role/plane)

His service date would be up so they didn't bother.


The author of the article seemed pretty fair to me. Why don't you call him and see if anything has changed since February? Maybe the guy recanted his story and is supporting Kerry, now. You could have a scoop.

Also, you don't sound like a guy who has ever flown a plane.

 

[suprbuick7]

Wherever the F#ck he flew it wasn't in Viet Nam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chickenhawk = my point

 

[suprbuick7]

Dude you need to get a subscription to some newspaper other than those that prove your delusional philosophies Washington Times = GOP rag

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by We4ster
"Because Israeli hasn't directly attacked us. Still, I believe we should stay neutral. Israeli commits terror in the Middle East as well, but get away with it because they are a powerful lobby for some reason."

Hello is anyone home....

"Why is it all right for us to respond to terrorism with force but when Israel responds to Palestinian terrorists its wrong?

Whoops, misunderstood your question...

First off, let me start off by saying one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. With that being said, we were attacked on 9-11-01 by Al Quida for our support of Israel. For that, we gave the Afgani governnment a warning to turn Bin Laden in. They didn't, so we went in and put a stop to their government, and tried to catch/execute him ourselves. The difference between us and Israel is that they bulldoze and kill innocent civilians. They also kill political leaders. Hamas has every right to be upset with Israel for taking their land and killing their civilians and leaders. Israel has one of the worst and bloodiest records in the Middle East, and we are paying dearly for our support of them. You say you oppose the Iraqi War. Fine. But guess who the war's biggest supporter is? Israel and their amen corner in Congress. Plus, as a liberal man, you hate war war atrocities, right? Well, Israeli's Prime Minister was a big time war criminal, with tons of innocent blood on his hands.

 

[We4ster]

TurboTer,

Where are you getting your info from? Sounds like a KKK rag.
Israel is surrounded by arab nations who would like nothing better than to kill every Jew in Israel. We havent killed innocent civilians? ? Israel is fighting for its right to survive..You need to read a little middle eastern history. Yes, the palestinians need a homeland, but in the middle of Israel? Check your history books and see where Palestine was originally, might suprise you.
Hamas doesnt represent palestinians, they are a terrorist group just like Al Quida. Did you know that every palestinian school book preaches hatred of the "jews"! Israel is surrounded by states that support terrorism, shouldnt they be allowed to protect themselves?
Bushbaby's unfetted support of Israel is based on his Religious Beliefs..............FACT

 

[We4ster]

UNGN,

The Voodoo/F-101 was another of the "Century Series" fighters entering the Air Force in the 1950s! It was a Dinosaur and it was replaced by the F-4 Phantom in Nam...
So Bushbaby would have gone from "flying" one obsolete aircraft to another "obsolete" aircraft....Says volumes about his skill set!
Daddy Bush made sure he was safe.....By the way, why hasnt Daddy Bush spoken up in his son's defense?

Any Military fighter is a deathtrap.......thats why they have ejection seats!

 

[UNGN]

Recon Voodoos were flying well into the mid 80's. The Texas ANG in Houston went from a High altitude interceptor squadron to a Recon squadron.

Bush was trained as a single engine high altitude interceptor pilot and not a twin engine recon pilot.

I'm not making stuff up like "rummy weasled out of service" but am just stating facts.

Lots of "dinosaurs" are STILL flying. B-52's and the T-37 are just two that predate the F101 and the T-38 is only two years younger (and still flying)

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by We4ster
TurboTer,

Where are you getting your info from? Sounds like a KKK rag.
Israel is surrounded by arab nations who would like nothing better than to kill every Jew in Israel. We havent killed innocent civilians? ? Israel is fighting for its right to survive..You need to read a little middle eastern history. Yes, the palestinians need a homeland, but in the middle of Israel? Check your history books and see where Palestine was originally, might suprise you.
Hamas doesnt represent palestinians, they are a terrorist group just like Al Quida. Did you know that every palestinian school book preaches hatred of the "jews"! Israel is surrounded by states that support terrorism, shouldnt they be allowed to protect themselves?
Bushbaby's unfetted support of Israel is based on his Religious Beliefs..............FACT

Everything you disagree with sounds "KKK" to you. I wasn't critizising Jews, I was critizising Israel, big difference. Al Quida is a terrorist group that wants world wide Muslum dominance. Hamas is only fighting for the rights to their land back. I didn't know that Palestinian books preach hatred, but do you blame them? They kill their leaders and bomb civilian towns. Yes, we killed some innocent Iraqis, but we didn't target them. Did you know they are making it illegal in Israel to marry arabs, yet they are the first to cry fowl if another group wanted the right to only marry their own kind? One standard for them, another standard for everyone else. Israeli is the reason we had 9-11 in the first place.

I also find it amusing how you bash Bush but agree with him on Israel, the biggest supporter of war in the world.

 

[We4ster]

TurboTer ,

Again, you are way off base, Hamas is a terrorist group...no more no less...fighting for their land? Again read! This is not their land!
When you have been under seige as long as Israel has you change your tactics..taking out leaders of terrorist groups, sounds good to me...Sounds like what we are doing. Israelis do not target civilians! More garbage
Israel isnt making it illegal to marry arabs, Orthodox Jews dont want any Jew to marry outside their faith..This has nothing to do with Israeli policy...Where are you getting your info?

You are brainwashed, Israel is the reason for 9/11? (lmao)

I dont support bushbay, I support Israel's right to exist!

 

[We4ster]

UNGN,

"Bush was trained as a single engine high altitude interceptor pilot and not a twin engine recon pilot".

What was he going to intercept at high altitude over Nam? UFO'S?
The 101's were obsolete and used in a limited manner. The sr-71 did most of the recon in Nam...Shhhhhhhhh, its a secret!

101's did keep flying...Its all the reserves and n/g could afford.
The b-52 is still flying out of necessity, we never built a conventional bomber to replace it.....no funds. The t-38 is a trainer, dont need anything fancy for that, just cheap.
They still fly f-4's.....wild weasels!
In Nam it was easy to spot an f-4.....just look for the black exhaust coming at you from miles away...It was a great sight in Nam when you saw them coming........Napalm!
I'm a great supporter of our Air Force, did you know rumsfeld wants to cut the f-22? They need more money for the war!

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by We4ster
TurboTer ,

Again, you are way off base, Hamas is a terrorist group...no more no less...fighting for their land? Again read! This is not their land!
When you have been under seige as long as Israel has you change your tactics..taking out leaders of terrorist groups, sounds good to me...Sounds like what we are doing. Israelis do not target civilians! More garbage
Israel isnt making it illegal to marry arabs, Orthodox Jews dont want any Jew to marry outside their faith..This has nothing to do with Israeli policy...Where are you getting your info?

You are brainwashed, Israel is the reason for 9/11? (lmao)

I dont support bushbay, I support Israel's right to exist!

Like I said before, one man's terrorist is another mann's freedom fighter. I'm sure to the English, George Wasington was a terrorist. Yes, it is officially Israel's land, but it was taken from them quite recently by timeline standards.

Israeli is making it illegal. Gimme a day or so and I'll dig it up on CNN.

Israeli has a horrible record when it comes to civilians. They will bomb a school if a known terrorist is speaking there.

Israeli is the reason for 9-11, it's a fact. Had we not been so pro-Israeli, Osama would never had attacked us. This is the price we pay for supporting that filthy terrorist state who bites the hand that feeds them.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by We4ster
UNGN,

"Bush was trained as a single engine high altitude interceptor pilot and not a twin engine recon pilot".

What was he going to intercept at high altitude over Nam? UFO'S?

That was the point of the article and my point the whole time.

Bush volunteered to go to Nam, but there was Zero reason to send him. By '71 there was zero reason to send anyone. All of the "AWOL" stuff about Bush has to do with 1972-1973 when there was NO chance ANY ANG pilot was going to be sent to nam.

And F-4's haven't been used for WW duty since the mid 90's.

Where have you been?

 

[We4ster]

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me,

The F-4G Wild Weasel flew its last combat mission over Southern Iraq on Jan. 2, 1996.

If Bush wanted to fly in Nam he could have joined the Air Force, I have a hard time buying into that article...Too many holes in it. But what the heck....a rep wrote it.

 

[We4ster]

TurboTer,

"Like I said before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

With your logic Bin Laden is a freedom fighter, too?

"Israeli has a horrible record when it comes to civilians. They will bomb a school if a known terrorist is speaking there"

Its a war of terrorism, innocents get killed...Give the U.S. enough time in the middle east and more will die...your logic escapes me.
We are running into the same problem is Iraq because the terrorists hide amongst the civilians..

"Israeli is the reason for 9-11, it's a fact. Had we not been so pro-Israeli, Osama would never had attacked us."

Bin Laden is a filthy weasel who used his religious beliefs to manipulate his followers..FYI, He attacked the U.S. because we had troops in Saudi Arabia...HOLLY LAND! Israel was an excuse that most arab nations have used before.

You're a sic puppy!

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by TurboTer
Israeli is the reason for 9-11, it's a fact. Had we not been so pro-Israeli, Osama would never had attacked us. This is the price we pay for supporting that filthy terrorist state who bites the hand that feeds them.

Actually, 9/11 can be traced to the first gulf war and the original attack on the WTC which had more to do with Iraq than Israel.

Osama was pissed we were in Saudi Arabia and Saudi wouldn't employ Him to protect Saudi from Saddam (or so the twisted logic goes)

I'm not saying that the US support for Israel has nothing to do with the attack, but explaining other Al Queda attacks like the Bali bombing by saying it's our support for Israel, doesn't work.

They hate America and what it stands for. If Israel didn't exist tomorrow, they would still hate us.

 

[TurboJunky]

Originally posted by We4ster
UNGN,

"Bush was trained as a single engine high altitude interceptor pilot and not a twin engine recon pilot".

What was he going to intercept at high altitude over Nam? UFO'S?
The 101's were obsolete and used in a limited manner. The sr-71 did most of the recon in Nam...Shhhhhhhhh, its a secret!

Hey Weeester, did you think Vietnam was the only government our military was prepared to confront? Does the USSR ring a bell?....duh. Gee, do you think we needed high altitude interceptors to deal with Russia's long range bombers. Does the cold war ring a bell? Apparently in your and Kerry's world everything revolves around Nam. The Soviet Union was in the picture too just a weee bit. According to YOU, the guard pilots our country needed to confront Russia (just in case) were totally useless and their service worthless.

By the way, in case you didn't know (which is apparent) the F-4 was a PIG and wasn't very impressive for dog fighting over Nam. It's not what the Phantom was designed to do.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by We4ster
TurboTer,

"Like I said before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

With your logic Bin Laden is a freedom fighter, too?

"Israeli has a horrible record when it comes to civilians. They will bomb a school if a known terrorist is speaking there"

Its a war of terrorism, innocents get killed...Give the U.S. enough time in the middle east and more will die...your logic escapes me.
We are running into the same problem is Iraq because the terrorists hide amongst the civilians..

"Israeli is the reason for 9-11, it's a fact. Had we not been so pro-Israeli, Osama would never had attacked us."

Bin Laden is a filthy weasel who used his religious beliefs to manipulate his followers..FYI, He attacked the U.S. because we had troops in Saudi Arabia...HOLLY LAND! Israel was an excuse that most arab nations have used before.

You're a sic puppy!

I view Bin Laiden (and the rest of Al Quida) as a pure terrorist. They are not fighting for anything but worldwide Muslim/Arab domanance. It'll never happen, because they are vastly outnumbered and far less intelligent than the civilized world. Hammas and the PLO are a different story. They have stated they will not bomb American soil. Their sole objective is to get back their land taken by greedy Israelis.

Why do we have troops in the "Holy Land" to begin with? To protect Israel. Put two and two together. It isn't hard.

Keep believing your Zionist BS and bowing to your masters. You surely know what side your bread is buttered on.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by UNGN
Actually, 9/11 can be traced to the first gulf war and the original attack on the WTC which had more to do with Iraq than Israel.

Osama was pissed we were in Saudi Arabia and Saudi wouldn't employ Him to protect Saudi from Saddam (or so the twisted logic goes)

I'm not saying that the US support for Israel has nothing to do with the attack, but explaining other Al Queda attacks like the Bali bombing by saying it's our support for Israel, doesn't work.

They hate America and what it stands for. If Israel didn't exist tomorrow, they would still hate us.

I don't think 9-11 had much to do with Iraq. It is a 100% fact that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam hate each other. Osama is a fundy nut who wants worldwide Musum domanance. Saddam doesn't even wear a beard, and woman in Iraq had more right than most of Arab countries. The only thing they have in common is they both hate America.

I don't mean to say we should support Arabs over Israel. Hell no. I'm just saying we should take a more neutral stance toward the Middle East.

 

[UNGN]

Originally posted by TurboTer
I don't think 9-11 had much to do with Iraq. It is a 100% fact that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam hate each other. Osama is a fundy nut who wants worldwide Musum domanance. Saddam doesn't even wear a beard, and woman in Iraq had more right than most of Arab countries. The only thing they have in common is they both hate America.

I don't mean to say we should support Arabs over Israel. Hell no. I'm just saying we should take a more neutral stance toward the Middle East.

9/11, at least the attack on the world trade center is ALL about Iraq. The original 1993 bombing was on the first monday after the 2 year anniversary of the Attack on Iraq.

When that attempt failed to bring down the building, it represented the Holy Grail to muslim extremists. Osama wasn't trying to take the building down FOR Saddam, but trying to show Saddam's people that he could when Saddam (or Saddam sympathizers) could not. Showing the worlds radical muslims that HE was the undisputed killer of Americans.

The obvious response for this is for the US to be the undiputed killer of radical muslims. It sounds barbaric, but that is the kind of people we are dealing with.

Trying to give them what they want or bargaining with them is a sign of weakness that they will exploit. As WE4ster said in an another thread, these people have no honor.

George Bush has been friends with Arabs for 30+ years. Don't ya think he "knows" how they think by now? WAY better than John Kerry and Pat Buchanan, I can assure you. And 100 times better than the antiwar protestors that want to "just get along".

Nick Berg thought he could "just get along".