Thanks guys I'll look into them . I'm running a short tail TH400 with a 3" driveshaft just a little concerned with clearances . I bought a loop a long time ago for the same TH400/3" DS setup on another car from a board member who was selling them . I think his name was "Huber" . It fit and worked real well with the setup . I'm not sure if he's still selling them . also came across a tubular designed one that looks nice and should have some clearance .