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Lee Thompson I believe
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Lee still had the fastest hotair before going to the stage 2 setup. that motor is still non intercooled anyhow.
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Well, Lee and the Gallinas, and some others all had their production block cars in the mid to low 11's, i believe lee is in the tens now with a stage block but still non intercooled. I think all of those cars had head work done though, but they are still the fastest ones.
Hot Air is Hot Air. Even with a S2 block,I believe Lee has been in the 10.60/126 range without a intercooler. Some months back last year, Bruce took the intercooler off of his 87 and used alcohol to make the same horsepower without the intercooler. Lee's son Dewayne also has a Max effort Hotair in the 10's. For a Hot Air, that is plain "HAULIN AZZ".
. Jamie "turbo6x2" has a fast Hot air in the 11.60's.
. Jamie "turbo6x2" has a fast Hot air in the 11.60's.Totally...he even runs a ported stock POS intake...
Anyway...for Travis...there are a few key differences between the basic recipes for hotairs and 87's...basically,if you want to go fast hotair you will need all the same basic crap that an 87 needs as well as:
-ported heads
-ported intake
-aftermarket downpipe
-aftermarket headers
-bigger turbo
Also,for whatever reason hotairs don't seem to need as much injector...
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Broke1,
Do you have some beef with Lee that we should know about?
Every time his car gets brought up, you seem to find a way to slam it.
Stage 2 = intercooled? Is this what we're supposed to take away from your comments?
274 stage 2 = more cubic inches and a stronger block. That's all. The temperature of the intake charge isn't determined by the block and you know it.
Seems like a real nice, quiet guy that's always willing to lend a hand when needed. He goes fast without trash talking. That's someone that should be looked UP to, instead of down on.
What have you done lately?
Do you have some beef with Lee that we should know about?
Every time his car gets brought up, you seem to find a way to slam it.
Stage 2 = intercooled? Is this what we're supposed to take away from your comments?
274 stage 2 = more cubic inches and a stronger block. That's all. The temperature of the intake charge isn't determined by the block and you know it.
Seems like a real nice, quiet guy that's always willing to lend a hand when needed. He goes fast without trash talking. That's someone that should be looked UP to, instead of down on.
What have you done lately?
I have no beef with Lee at all.Just that all you suck his nuts because you think his car is a hot air,it isnt and it is.
He does have a chemical intercooler.Whats he run,6 alky nozzles??
If just the intake makes it a hot air,then could we say the guys running 84-85 blocks have hot airs as well??
Plus I always see you guys whining about people doing the 86-87 conversion.There is a reason you know,its called hp
And if youre talking about Big Daddy(Dewayne)his car is IC'd I beleive....
He does have a chemical intercooler.Whats he run,6 alky nozzles??
If just the intake makes it a hot air,then could we say the guys running 84-85 blocks have hot airs as well??
Plus I always see you guys whining about people doing the 86-87 conversion.There is a reason you know,its called hp
And if youre talking about Big Daddy(Dewayne)his car is IC'd I beleive....
Originally posted by broke1
I know some of u assholes will say "but its an 86-87 style driveline" but fact according to YOU GUYS no IC=hot air
You need to watch yourself or you will not be allowed in this forum.
If you have something constructive to add,or something resembling hotair specific knowledge then by all means post away.But if you are only here to stir up sh!t and act like a d!ckhead you will be shown the door.
Free forum ill say what I want as long as im not breaking any guidlines....
You dont like what I type,dont read it.Dont try to be an asshole and pull a power trip little fella
Read some of the threads about people wanting to do the 86-87 swap,then ban yourself and all the others that get negative input in those threads....
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Broke1, a few things...
1) I guess you missed the fact that WFO is a forum moderator and can do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the forum.
2) If anyone appears to be kissing Lee's ass, it's because he has spent the time and the money over the years figuring out the HOT AIR combination. Just because he's now got a Stage motor, and alot of alcohol does not mean that his previous accomplishments should be negated. He went fast on a production block and no alcohol, and WITH the crappy hot air induction setup. Is alcohol somehow not a legitimate mod for a hot air?
3) Again i ask... What have you done lately?
4) My take on Cal Hartline... One bad ass car. Period. Intercooled or not. No reason to tear him apart.
Are your posts somehow furthering everyone's "hot air" knowlege? Didn't think so.
Let's get back to the original question at hand... The country's fastest hot air cars. (Likely the guy's question was limited to a stock hot air intake setup due to his interest in purchasing one.)
To name a few.... Lee Thompson, Jamie (don't know her last name... chime in turbo6x2.), the white '84 of John and Marka Gallina (not sure if they sold it yet or not) and a host of others in the 12's.
1) I guess you missed the fact that WFO is a forum moderator and can do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the forum.
2) If anyone appears to be kissing Lee's ass, it's because he has spent the time and the money over the years figuring out the HOT AIR combination. Just because he's now got a Stage motor, and alot of alcohol does not mean that his previous accomplishments should be negated. He went fast on a production block and no alcohol, and WITH the crappy hot air induction setup. Is alcohol somehow not a legitimate mod for a hot air?
3) Again i ask... What have you done lately?
4) My take on Cal Hartline... One bad ass car. Period. Intercooled or not. No reason to tear him apart.
Are your posts somehow furthering everyone's "hot air" knowlege? Didn't think so.
Let's get back to the original question at hand... The country's fastest hot air cars. (Likely the guy's question was limited to a stock hot air intake setup due to his interest in purchasing one.)
To name a few.... Lee Thompson, Jamie (don't know her last name... chime in turbo6x2.), the white '84 of John and Marka Gallina (not sure if they sold it yet or not) and a host of others in the 12's.
1)mods have no right to go on power trips,ask Jesse.I think even he will agree that WFO's comment was out of line....
2)Lee has always ran his fast times with alky and yes its an IC,just a chemical one.Read Corky Bells book or talk to some older GM engineers(power injection)Its an IC.
3)Well,in the last year ive built and restored a $50k+ 85 GN(86-87 engine),not to mention the $10kin mods to my driver,that aint **** though.What about you??U own a running,driving TR??
4)Then its agreed,Cal is the fastest hot air...
I know alot more about hot airs than others that are posting in this thread.....Probably owned one longer than some of em to(I owned my HA for almost 9 years)And ill bet ive given more back in selling my hot air performance parts cheap as hell cause I know the main reason to buy an 84-85(all things being equal)is the initial cost isnt as much)ask ngianpop or national84.
And according to you guys way of classifieng a HA,cars running the v1-v2-v3 arent really hot airs because they dont run the smae intake.
And no,we will not get back to the question at hand,Cal ran no IC so hes the fastest hot air ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITIONS.NOT MINE!!!
2)Lee has always ran his fast times with alky and yes its an IC,just a chemical one.Read Corky Bells book or talk to some older GM engineers(power injection)Its an IC.
3)Well,in the last year ive built and restored a $50k+ 85 GN(86-87 engine),not to mention the $10kin mods to my driver,that aint **** though.What about you??U own a running,driving TR??
4)Then its agreed,Cal is the fastest hot air...
I know alot more about hot airs than others that are posting in this thread.....Probably owned one longer than some of em to(I owned my HA for almost 9 years)And ill bet ive given more back in selling my hot air performance parts cheap as hell cause I know the main reason to buy an 84-85(all things being equal)is the initial cost isnt as much)ask ngianpop or national84.
And according to you guys way of classifieng a HA,cars running the v1-v2-v3 arent really hot airs because they dont run the smae intake.
And no,we will not get back to the question at hand,Cal ran no IC so hes the fastest hot air ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITIONS.NOT MINE!!!
I shouldn't even play into this because it's obvious this guy is trying to stir things up.
The term hotair refers not just to no intercooler, but the basic setup of the motor. If you can't see the differences between an 84-85 and 86-87 engine other than a lack of an intercooler, then I don't know what to say. This is why I refer to mine as an intercooled hotair and not just intercooled.
The term hotair refers not just to no intercooler, but the basic setup of the motor. If you can't see the differences between an 84-85 and 86-87 engine other than a lack of an intercooler, then I don't know what to say. This is why I refer to mine as an intercooled hotair and not just intercooled.
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Actually, Broke1 at the moment, I don't own a running hot air. I am doing a motor swap between the two and the engines are currently out of the cars. Not sure what that has to do with anything though... My accomplisments speak for themselves...
I've owned hot air Buicks since 1995 when I bought my first '84 GN that I still own. The Riv followed in 1997. It has set 2 NHRA ET records and 2 NHRA speed records in the AF/SA class and BF/SA class of Stock Eliminator. I set the AF record in 1999 and NOBODY has broken it since. The record expired and is no longer valid, but still it has not been equalled. Nothing to prove here.
My hat's off to Cal for running fast without an intercooler. Cool 84 does bring up a good point about running the 84-85 setup though. I'm sure his car would slow down dramatically with a hot air intake. I'm sure you would agree. And for the purposes of the original question geared toward an '84 '85 setup his car really doesn't apply. My opinion of his car still stands though. It's bad ass.
What you're missing is this... Many of us hot air owners do it because it's cheap. Many of us (myself included) do it just to be the underdog. Everyone likes an underdog. I had a fast '87 and was kind of bored with it. It was a great car but I have always enjoyed the challenge of the hot airs.... So that's what I have now. I'm not against intercoolers. In fact, my '84 GN will have a Spearco kit in it's latest form (times listed in sig are non-intercooled and were done in 1996 when nobody knew crap about hot airs except Lee.) He helped me back then to get it where it finally ran.) Since then, I haven't done much with it. I've had my attention on class racing my Riviera.
BTW, I dont' think WFO was on a power trip. You were clearly on the edge of going too far with your earlier post. Both with language (calling people a-holes for no reason) and lack of productive content. A warning was in order.
I've owned hot air Buicks since 1995 when I bought my first '84 GN that I still own. The Riv followed in 1997. It has set 2 NHRA ET records and 2 NHRA speed records in the AF/SA class and BF/SA class of Stock Eliminator. I set the AF record in 1999 and NOBODY has broken it since. The record expired and is no longer valid, but still it has not been equalled. Nothing to prove here.
My hat's off to Cal for running fast without an intercooler. Cool 84 does bring up a good point about running the 84-85 setup though. I'm sure his car would slow down dramatically with a hot air intake. I'm sure you would agree. And for the purposes of the original question geared toward an '84 '85 setup his car really doesn't apply. My opinion of his car still stands though. It's bad ass.
What you're missing is this... Many of us hot air owners do it because it's cheap. Many of us (myself included) do it just to be the underdog. Everyone likes an underdog. I had a fast '87 and was kind of bored with it. It was a great car but I have always enjoyed the challenge of the hot airs.... So that's what I have now. I'm not against intercoolers. In fact, my '84 GN will have a Spearco kit in it's latest form (times listed in sig are non-intercooled and were done in 1996 when nobody knew crap about hot airs except Lee.) He helped me back then to get it where it finally ran.) Since then, I haven't done much with it. I've had my attention on class racing my Riviera.
BTW, I dont' think WFO was on a power trip. You were clearly on the edge of going too far with your earlier post. Both with language (calling people a-holes for no reason) and lack of productive content. A warning was in order.
Calling members a$$holes and generally acting like an idiot in a TECH forum IS breaking general guidelines.
This forum is for hotair TECH,not your stupid little sh!t stirring grade-school crap.I've seen you do it elsewhere on this board and others,and I'm telling you that turd's not gonna flush in this forum.
This forum is for HOTAIR TECH,always has been,always will be.We've had our share of flames flown in here thru the years but it's always been good natured and/or valid argument.You have neither going for you,so either contribute something to the discussion or take a hike.
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