Flow Bench!

[TType84]

if you have one

if you know someone with one

if you knwo a guy who knows a guy who would let you use one for 10 minutes while hes on his lunch break..

grab your spare stock intake (i think everyone has atleast one)

GET IT FLOWED. SOMEONE GET A STOCK INTAKE FLOWED.

everyone says these intakes dont flow for ****, well lets see the numbers, and then when someone ports them, we can do it again and see the improvement.

how about if you have a tm intake, if its not on the car, see about getting it put on a flow bench too..


now, the reason i dont do this is because... i cant. i dont know anyone with a flowbench, etc. but im sure the ~50 hotair forum regulars have to know someone who knows someone who would let you flow a stocker for ****s and giggles...

 

[alb84]

the stock intakes don't flow well. we have a flow bench. we have put one on the bench before, and it is sittting around the shop somewhere with the numbers written on the ports. I'll take a look for it , and post the #s. Later.....Danny......R&D Performance / Flow Dynamics

 

[WFO]

alan(6packtogo)has a flow bench and is in the process of porting stock intakes.i'm sure he'll let us know what the before and after #'s are.

 

[TType84]

another reason i think this would be helpful is alot of guys are knocking the TM intake saying the distribution is WAYYYY off...

but i swear remember talking to jay and dave as the intakes were being designed and hearing them talk about how jay put them on a bench and made sure they flowed evenly..

 

[turbo6x2]

I think that's incorrect, what he said is how much more they flowed, nothing was ever mentioned about even flowing. Trust me we spoke extensively with Jason when this was being done. Only flow numbers he ever mentioned were over all not per opening. (I am one of those people no longer using the v-3) As far as having someone flow this, we were told 60.00 an opening to do both the stock, ported one and the v-3 that's 1080.00 to much for my taste. I just know the ported stock intake we had done by iwinengineering got me my 12.31 runs and the car could actually reach maxium rpm. (instead of only 4500 rpm)

 

[6SENSE]

Which TM intake are you guys talking about? Ive had the V1 hotair model on my car since I put the engine together a few years back. GNT/TM didnt have any other intakes out at the time. Didnt get any flow #s. Dave said that they ran a stock car at the track, then changed the intake and ran it again with no other changes. I think there was a .3/3mph increase in the 1/4 (I really dont remember what the increases were for sure, but that sounds right).
Has anyone done a flow test on this intake? Recently Ive heard mixed opinions about it, including that Lee Thompson had tried it and had problems with it so he went back to the stocker.

 

[alb84]

Boy this takes me back! like I said I have a stocker sitting around that we flowed with the #'s on each port. I got into a big argument with Dave & turbo motion over what he thought he knew. Also around that time people where gutting the stockers left and right. The correct way to modify, is to have someone that has real porting experience and a flow bench take the time to do it right for your application. Lee would have very different needs, as would you or I. One manifold specification will not suffice for everyone. Look at how many choices we have for the small block chevy. Maybe we should be looking at modifying one the the many manifolds out here for the carbed buicks. Send me a turbo motion manifold, and we will flow it for you free for the benifit of the board. I did'nt flow the manifold that I modified, and its been on my car for a while. when I take it off I'll flow it too. Later......Danny

 

[WFO]

Originally posted by alb84
I got into a big argument with Dave & turbo motion over what he thought he knew.

heh,and i'm sure you remember that at that time if you in any way questioned dave or his products you'd get drawn and quartered on this board.

remember how mad everyone used to get at dan smith?i thought it was funny because his questions/comments were always valid(if somewhat sarcastic)and people would friggin lose it.

anyway,i'm glad to see that you have the capacity and are willing to get us some definitive data.i know i appreciate it.

later,sean

 

[turbo6x2]

Originally posted by alb84
Boy this takes me back! like I said I have a stocker sitting around that we flowed with the #'s on each port. I got into a big argument with Dave & turbo motion over what he thought he knew. Also around that time people where gutting the stockers left and right. The correct way to modify, is to have someone that has real porting experience and a flow bench take the time to do it right for your application. Lee would have very different needs, as would you or I. One manifold specification will not suffice for everyone. Look at how many choices we have for the small block chevy. Maybe we should be looking at modifying one the the many manifolds out here for the carbed buicks. Send me a turbo motion manifold, and we will flow it for you free for the benifit of the board. I did'nt flow the manifold that I modified, and its been on my car for a while. when I take it off I'll flow it too. Later......Danny

You serious about doing this? The flow part and this was the v-3 not the first modded one from turbo motion. I actually liked that one but hind sight is 20/20.

 

[6SENSE]

So your not refering to the V1? Anyone out there have any flow info on it anyway, good or bad?
Also, Whats up with the V3, is that for an intercooler application? How many versions did they make, whats the differences?

 

[TType85]

I had one of the first V2's from Turbomotion and Jason flowed it and a stock intake. I don't rembmer what the stock intake numbers were but they were well below the 86/7 intakes and turbomotion intakes.

Mine flowed around 230cfm per runner at 28in of water. Thats more than my GN1's will flow. EACH cylinder was within 1-2% of each other. look at the picture of the bottom of my intake.

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http://www.geocities.com/slow85t/intake3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/slow85t/intake4.jpg

He recontoured the floor completly. There was a nice curve to it and you could see straight down all the runners.

With the v2 setup my car was easier to tune then this 86/7 setup and I attribute part of that to the even flow.

I went 12.1@117 with 21psi at 3800ft elevation with a 2.3-2.4 60' time and the 117mph runs I was hitting the rev-limiter going through the lights. It ran 12.30-12.40@113 on pump gas, 17psi of boost.

Hindsite being 20/20 I should of stuck with that combo and been in the 11's easily with the addition of a posi and some sticky tires.

 

[TType84]

wanna sell it?

 

[TType85]

Sold the TM kit a long while back. Went the 86/7 conversion route... what a PITA.... even with a donor car....

 

[turbo6x2]

Originally posted by 6SENSE
So your not refering to the V1? Anyone out there have any flow info on it anyway, good or bad?
Also, Whats up with the V3, is that for an intercooler application? How many versions did they make, whats the differences?

v-1 was the first version of opening up the stock intake to get it to flow better. V-2 was for the intercooler set up you could buy and v-3 was the last modified one for those not wanting the intercooler, this is where he really modified it. Hope that helps.