So why no gasket? I told my mechanic friend and he was somewhat doubtful. Also what the best technique for getting them to stick good and applying the copper? John @Johnsperformance said to apply the liquid copper in a light line around the entire surface then flip them upside down and press the header against the head, then flip back over to normal and bolt up. Also on first run isnt the rule to let the car cool down then tighten them again?