Hot air alky???

[Squid4life]

Surley an alky kit will help a hot air car, but I am not having any luck finding any sigs in this section for people who are using it.

Anyone have any good luck on a non ic'ed car? I am looking at the Razors progressive.

Thanks in advance!

Squid

 

[THE ARS]

I don't think a progressive kit will work with the 107 cam. Just too much duration.

You should look into a quadra nozzle single stage kit from Sraeht Enterprises.

Tom

 

[Razor]

Originally posted by THE ARS
I don't think a progressive kit will work with the 107 cam. Just too much duration.

You should look into a quadra nozzle single stage kit from Sraeht Enterprises.

Tom

Tom.. please elaborate on your camshaft theory. And the interaction of the Postons 107 cam with a quadra nozzle single stage kit... Do you even own a Buick? This I got to hear.


Got the popcorn ready






Squid, do a search "hot air alky" .. here's a link to one I did..

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122389&highlight=hot+air+alky

6Sense has been running my kit since late last year.

HTH

 

[Robert Wilson]

I installed a Jay Carter Alcohol kit on a family members stock '85 TR probably 6 or so years ago. It worked great. I located the nozzle in the outlet of the turbo as it enters the intake. I currently have two other family members running Razor's kit on '87 cars and feel it would have even worked better on the '85 because of the controller. Jay's kit utilized only a pressure switch, so it was all or none.

HTH
Robert

 

[Razor]

Robert, will you be going to Reynolds?

 

[Squid4life]

Thanks a bunch for the replies. I guess I have another toy to add to the list. But before I do alky, I guess I need to swap to the 87 ECM, MAF, coilpack, and I think there was something else...

Well, as soon as I get the new motor broke in and tuned I will get the 87 stuff, meanwhile save for the Razors kit. Thanks for the info Razor, and for standing up for my little 107.

And I'll check back to see any more bada$$ combos!!!

Squid

 

[Robert Wilson]

Razor,
I won't make it to Reynolds. I usually don't stray that far from home plus my car is in pieces being painted right now.

Robert

 

[GNBeswick]

Ive got Razors kit on my 85, put the nozzle in the turbo inlet, the little hour glass shaped thing in between the turbo and intake. I gotta say, the kit is great.....a must for our cars...helps cool down all that "hot air"

 

[Squid4life]

GNAsuka, have you run your car at the track yet? Was curious what a setup like yours could put down. Thanks!

 

[6SENSE]

Hi alcoholics, future alcoholics . Wuz up Julio!?

Alky injection on a HOTair car?..................COOOOOL



Poston's 107T too big??! Heck, next time go bigger

 

[GNBeswick]

I havnt taken it to the track yet (well since it was stock, pulled a high 14), Im still doing some tuning on it. I will be taking it to the track soon though, Im expecting it to hit 13s, but well see. I can let you know when I make a run.

 

[Squid4life]

Works for me! Make sure you post your times, 60 ft, etc. Should run out pretty good. I just got back from Noble, OK last night, for the Buick vs Ford shootout. All I can say is WOW!!!!! That was amazing! I didn't get many pics, but a few good ones I'll post a link to. One came out really well of a white GN pulling the fronts HARD!

Thanks to everyone replying about the alky too. Razor, I'll be in touch in the near future!

Squid

PS, heading to the garage to work on the GN!

 

[THE ARS]

"Tom.. please elaborate on your camshaft theory. And the interaction of the Postons 107 cam with a quadra nozzle single stage kit... Do you even own a Buick? This I got to hear.


Got the popcorn ready " - Razor

The progressive kit will still work OK at wide open throttle, but depending on the camshaft profile, you are likely to be left with some residual idle and cruise driveability issues. The more radical the engine mods, the better the quadra nozzle kit will perform in comparison, and you won't have to spend much time tuning. The QN also gives you the ability to change alcohol / water ratio and idle air control parameters--very important with the more radical camshaft profiles.

Tom

 

[Razor]

Tom.. Since when is a little itty bitty cam radical.

Ya know radical is a 230/230 on a Buick.. or a 224/224 Roller.. etc.

Back to your theory. Lets go punch some holes in it.

You said, "you are likely to be left with some residual idle and cruise driveability issues."

What does this have to do with an injection kit that is only used under boost?

Then you said " The more radical the engine mods, the better the quadra nozzle kit will perform in comparison, and you won't have to spend much time tuning. The QN also gives you the ability to change alcohol / water ratio and idle air control parameters--very important with the more radical camshaft profiles. "

This is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard off. QN=BS

Yeah a 4 stage system is easy to dial in? Or is it a single stage with 4 nozzles? Why 4 not 30 nozzles.. seems like the more nozzles the better.

Your boats taking on water.. better recheck your statements.

BTW.. did a search for Sraeht Enterprises on Yahoo and nothing came out. Go figure????

Yeah your pulling my chain, except I take this stuff serious.

 

[THE ARS]

Before getting into the specifics, let’s take a look at some basic alcohol tech to find out why a quad works so well. A QN offers much more aggressive mixing capabilities compared to a progressive system. In order for a PS to generate as much power as a QN, it requires more meth. Progressive systems will actually dig into the power peak if the turn on is designed too aggressively. Quad systems do not suffer that problem, so the designer can put much more flexibilty into the system.

Tom

 

[Razor]

So far all I see is a key board typing widly..

Put up some links.. some pixs..

Here's my proof..

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138870

And an air fuel chart to boot

If there is a better way of doing something, I am the first to say.. man what a concept.

Your up Tom,

 

[Squid4life]

>>>>>"Tom.. Since when is a little itty bitty cam radical."<<<<<

That hurt razor. Take it easy on my little parts!

For anyone that wants specifics on the 107T from Postons:

lift- 430 int/ex
dur- 254 int/ex
open- 24 int, 58 ex
close- 50 int, 16 ex

I am assuming this is advertised, not at .050 lift.

Postons site says a step up from stock, not as large as the 110T.

As for the progressive vs qn, SHOW ME THE MONEY. I've seen nothing but positives about the kit from Razor, but am always open to new ideas, supported with proof/good data. I'll let you boys get back to it.

 

[THE ARS]

QN packages can be supplied in various configurations that provide up to 17,500 psi with flow rates up to 100 gpm for inhibiting detonation.A quartet of Hermetically-tight, sealless diaphragm pumps isolate process fluid from cooling systems. Available configurations include manual or automated stroke length control, speed control, and fixed volume delivery, with continuous injection and intermittent injection.

Tom

 

[Razor]

Ohh yeah.. thats what i'm talking about

 

[THE ARS]

The only real drawback to the QN system is pump isze.

It's rather large.

PIC



In all seriousness, Squid, get Razor's kit, if anything it will help a HA car more. Can't beat a $500 IC right?

Tom