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fbodlovr

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I might be getting an 84 gn, but what do you guys do with your turbos since theyre smashed on top of the engine? Can you upgrade them, and if so, how big can you go before you run into clearance issues?

Also, has anybody fabbed up something so it can sit in front of the engine?

Oh yeah, and what is your guys thoughts on just swapping an 86 87 motor into an 84? Severley costly? Worth it in the long run? Is the tranny different in the 86 and 87?
 
i went with a js manufacturing style intake that i fabed up my self.
turbo is still in stock location and i have a TE-44 turbo that mounts there.
no clearence issues.
 

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What did that do that you did to your intake???? Also, what is your thoughts on just swapping the engine out? And how hard is it to put an intercooler on a hot air car?

Ohyeah, what are the 84's good for in the 1/4 mile stock???
 
glad to see your' gettin a hot air...do a search for this info...ALL of the questions your asking have already been answered many, many times.

As far as the times...15's in the quarter stock.

John
 
Swapping motor - no good. Sensors, entire harness are all different. Dont waste ur time + money in my opinion. Just get a 86-87.

I have a number of detailed pics of the JS intake - I have one too. Its basically an 84 intake gutted - without the zip tubes. Set up the way an 86 87 intake is.

Spearco makes a IC kit for our cars - but its pricey I think.... 1,200 range.
There is also a number who have tried relocating the throttle body etc...to after the turbo. Mine will be that way after I finish my JS intake install.

These cars are good but as said many a time before - they respond differently to mods in different areas. Not as easy as a Terry Houston DP and a chip.

The tranny's are the same - although there is a BRF code trans and a BQA code trans. I have a BQA that I did 2,000 worth of work to - a rebuild and a valve body, shift kit etc. Many times the stock GN tranny's have been messed with due to the sought after GN valve body.
 
what would it take to get a hot air car into the 12's? about how much do you think it would cost? Is it far cheaper in mods to get an 86 87 into the 12's?

Also, with this new intake your talking about, does it get the turbo in front of the engine?
 
fbodlovr said:
what would it take to get a hot air car into the 12's? about how much do you think it would cost? Is it far cheaper in mods to get an 86 87 into the 12's?

it takes some work and a bit of money to go deep 12's with a hotair car.but to me its worth more than making a ic'ed car run 12's because that is not hard.as HOT SIX mentioned a terry houston DP, chip, and adjustable wastgate actuator and your almost there.
with a hotair car you have limited aftermarket resourses for parts.only a few companys make performance parts for our cars.and there more expensive.
i'm not trying to discourage you from a hotair car but if your looking for a easy 12 sec car buy intercooled. but if your up to the challenge,go with the hotair car. i seem to have more pride in my ride since mine is hotair and it will spank alot of IC'ed cars :biggrin:

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also as previously stated in first post, with the JS intake you retain the stock turbo location.
 
Ok, with just ------>terry houston DP, chip, and adjustable wastgate actuator im almost into the 12's? What would you honestly expect from these upgrades 1.4 mile time wise? I have a 00 camaro z28, and it runs 13.4 now, and my boss has an 04 srt4 that he swares up and down he'll kill me with. hes got nitrous NOW, so i wouldnt doubt it with the nitrous, but i want something that will just leave him with nothing but tailights.

If i put those upgrades on there, and upped the boost a little, what would be expected 1.4 time wise? also, how much would this cost?

One more thing, how much does that intake cost? and how big of a turbo can i go with? something that doesnt take forever to spool up, but will drop like a hammer when it does spool up. Also, with an intercooler setup, like the one that is selling for the 84 and 85 on some site, how much gains would you expect from that?
 
Hey, thanks for that link. It seems like it is relatively inexpensive to get it into the 12's. Simple mods will do it. But, when they mention boost, is that 20psi on the stock turbo? How high can the stock turbo go?

With those mods and everything they are talking about on there, the top one mentioning a chip, do you have to reprogram, or is it just basically bolt ons and the hp is just going up a little with each addition?


ONE more thing, do any of you have an in car vid of a race where the car is maybe road racing or drag racing, but it is in the 12;s?
 
FWIW & IMHO:
Just keep in mind that the recipe cars all involve alot of tuning both with the supsension and engine, and they all require race gas. They sometimes make it seem easier than it really is at a glance. This is not meant as a discouragement to you in any way, as careful tuning and planning will eventually get you where you want to be. Notice that the recipe that ran 12.3 had forged pistons, ported heads, ported intake, headers(easy), much larger 63 turbo, electric water pump, a 3200 stall converter, roller cam, and an oil evacuation system. That's not really a typical bolt on buildup, it's more of a purpose built setup. Not that it's a bad thing, that's just what it takes to run low twelves without intercooling.

Mike Bonneau's recipe on there that has gone 13.2 is a more common and maybe slightly more realistic bolt on recipe. He achieved that with basically a downpipe, headers, exhaust, a TA33 turbo and larger injectors. The motor is internally stock i.e. no porting or larger cam. Again race gas and slicks were used. The key with any of the recipe combos is tuning and traction.

To run 12's you will more than likely need something larger than the stock turbo and injectors, and over 20psi. Upgrading the exhaust (downpipe/headers/cat back stuff) is also a large priority with these cars. Upgrade to the 87 ecm which is pretty simple, as it allows you to get more valuble information from your ALL IMPORTANT SCAN TOOL. An upgraded fuel pump is an absolute necessity, whether you get an IC'ed car or a hotair, as they both came with the same crappy pump.

Like already mentioned, if you want easy 12's get an intercooled car. 12's are harder in a hotair but doable if you like to tinker and are a careful tuner.
 
buickpower said:
FWIW & IMHO:
Just keep in mind that the recipe cars all involve alot of tuning both with the supsension and engine, and they all require race gas. They sometimes make it seem easier than it really is at a glance. This is not meant as a discouragement to you in any way, as careful tuning and planning will eventually get you where you want to be. Notice that the recipe that ran 12.3 had forged pistons, ported heads, ported intake, headers(easy), much larger 63 turbo, electric water pump, a 3200 stall converter, roller cam, and an oil evacuation system. That's not really a typical bolt on buildup, it's more of a purpose built setup. Not that it's a bad thing, that's just what it takes to run low twelves without intercooling.

Mike Bonneau's recipe on there that has gone 13.2 is a more common and maybe slightly more realistic bolt on recipe. He achieved that with basically a downpipe, headers, exhaust, a TA33 turbo and larger injectors. The motor is internally stock i.e. no porting or larger cam. Again race gas and slicks were used. The key with any of the recipe combos is tuning and traction.

To run 12's you will more than likely need something larger than the stock turbo and injectors, and over 20psi. Upgrading the exhaust (downpipe/headers/cat back stuff) is also a large priority with these cars. Upgrade to the 87 ecm which is pretty simple, as it allows you to get more valuble information from your ALL IMPORTANT SCAN TOOL. An upgraded fuel pump is an absolute necessity, whether you get an IC'ed car or a hotair, as they both came with the same crappy pump.

Like already mentioned, if you want easy 12's get an intercooled car. 12's are harder in a hotair but doable if you like to tinker and are a careful tuner.

You're right, sorry I made a newbie mistake. My bad... :rolleyes:
Something that I have seen is the "Turbo Motion Intercooling kit" which runs about $1400 USD. Check this thread out...
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10632&highlight=Intercooling
Keep in mind that I'm a newbie as well, and others here know LOTS more than I do. I'm just throwing stuff out that have helped me so far.

Michael

Michael
 
heck no

Nothing to be sorry about, I wasn't trying to blast anyone, and my post was actually aimed at fbodlovr. I just think it's important to keep things in perspective and realistic.

Mike
 
buickpower said:
......... 12's are harder in a hotair but doable if you like to tinker and are a careful tuner.
Agree with BuickPower ..........
Depending on the current state of the whole car it could be;
Blood, Sweat, Pain, and Tears.

Don’t get discouraged, a few have done this so it is possible. Just keep it all in perspective and follow the advice from members like Buickpower, Lee Thompson, Big Daddy, Turbo6x, etc. (Quite a few more that have done 12’s) who "been there done that".
 
I see you have the ta33. How much bigger is that over the stock turbo? Bolt right up, or need anything else to get it going? Is there anything a TAD bit bigger than the 33, and where is the cheapest place to get it at?

One more question, who makes a front mount intercooler setup for our cars?
 
The TA33 flows ~660cfm, the stocker flows ~390. You send your stock turbo to John Craig at Limit Engineering, and he mills out the turbine and compressor housings and installs larger wheels, so the turbo looks externally stock and bolts up the same. Cost is about $785. I believe John will still install larger guts in the same housing, but I am not positive nor am I sure of the size.

As far as the intercooler, spearco used to make a front mount kit for our cars (~$1200 new) , but I believe they recently stopped making them. One of the vendors may still have some in stock or you may be able to pick up a used one in the parts for sale section every once in a while. The JS manufacturing kit could also do it, but I believe production has ceased for the time being on those as well. Maybe someone else could chime in here about that...
 
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