In need of a bit of help

[AlanSRT4]

I came on here becasue turbo buicks were the place I got to see alky injection in the first place a good while back. I own an SRT-4 (sorry if there have been idiots on here that own them. I get a lot of flack when I join new car forums cause of annoying srt owners) and am really thinking about going with the alkycontroll set up. I was wondering if anyone on here has had experience with maybe putting one on or working with it on an srt or any type of 4banger.

Thanks in advance I really hope to be able to get and run it.

O yeah the reason for going with it is cause I would like to see how high I can get on 93. I was up to about 400whp then realized that either piston or ring land was bad from the factory(it never did run right) and decided to do a complete rebuild of the motor. When all is said and done the plans on to have (on race gas) about 650whp or so (just for the bragging rights high whp and fwd is a really lousy combo). I am hoping to hit about 475-500whp with 93 and alky.

 

[WeSS]

srt & tuning

well I can tell you from experience the srt is tough to tune. I used to work with a guy who ran an srt with a 100 shot, 3 inch open dp, etc. car popped through 4th gear. He was quick but never could get it right. The tuning on the dodge is the problem. I hear AEM is coming out with a plug & play deal. The key to adding the alky to your car is getting the installation & the tuning done. Installation can be done but other than the AEM there is not anything that can be done to tune the stock ecm.

 

[AlanSRT4]

well I can tell you from experience the srt is tough to tune. I used to work with a guy who ran an srt with a 100 shot, 3 inch open dp, etc. car popped through 4th gear. He was quick but never could get it right. The tuning on the dodge is the problem. I hear AEM is coming out with a plug & play deal. The key to adding the alky to your car is getting the installation & the tuning done. Installation can be done but other than the AEM there is not anything that can be done to tune the stock ecm.

right now I am running a turbo xs d-tec on the car. I have yet when running a scan tool notice the car pulling any timing but better safe than sorry. I am really hoping to have the motor back together by end of the month.

a stand alone definatly will be nice to have. I know that so far running just an safc AMS has gotten 587whp with the stock pcm in the car.

There are not a lot of good srt sites out there there is the srtforums but blah majority of the people on that site are just useless.

with my old set up was running about 24psi on a 57trim turbo and got a 116.8 trap and it could have been tuned better (was running smpt-6 at the time) then switched up to a dtec and e-01 then decided that I wanted a good bit more pwr so out came the motor LOL

I can't wait to get to build a turbo regal at some point. I am gonna try and do a 4cycl first then off to 6 then 8

 

[rocket468]

How high you get is dependent on your tuning ablity. Dtech will work well with tuning. Your going to want right about 7-8gpm of actually flow so that would put you at 5gpm of nozzle. That will put you around 15% of meth to fuel which is where you want to be. I know exactly what you mean about eveyone thats ran allky for 1 week running around telling eveyone else what they need to do. There are so many misconseptions running around on there it can drive me nuts some days. You would not belive some of the things I get asked eveyday. Alot of it stems from srt crowd generaly being younger and are new to modding cars. I personal did some stupid stuff to cars in my quest to run 12's. Now I put alittle more effort into things. and have gotten my race car into the low 9's with out destroying nearly as much stuff as i did to get 12's when I was in my teens. Things just come with age. Thats where its helpful for others who know what there doing to step up. This is a good place to ask your alky questions. Lots of people on here have been running alky for years.


Chance

 

[Razor]

O yeah the reason for going with it is cause I would like to see how high I can get on 93.

Wait for AEM to release the stand alone. Piggy backs will get you into trouble.

I just found out a few days ago Chrysler doesnt own their software, its leased. Hence the issues hacking it.

To make power you need tuning ability. This ability comes from making changes to the way the PCM delivers fuel into the motor. This is the control you need to be able and live/keep things together.

Until then, keep your goals very modest.. what someone can do for one dyno pull means nothing if it blows up first time down the track.

Hopefully soon someone will step up.. until then, I wont make systems for applications that cannot be tuned.. all that creates is headaches.

 

[AlanSRT4]

Wait for AEM to release the stand alone. Piggy backs will get you into trouble.

I just found out a few days ago Chrysler doesnt own their software, its leased. Hence the issues hacking it.

To make power you need tuning ability. This ability comes from making changes to the way the PCM delivers fuel into the motor. This is the control you need to be able and live/keep things together.

Until then, keep your goals very modest.. what someone can do for one dyno pull means nothing if it blows up first time down the track.

Hopefully soon someone will step up.. until then, I wont make systems for applications that cannot be tuned.. all that creates is headaches.

when you say tuned I take it you mean controll of the timing being advanced? right now timing retard and fuel can all be taken care of. there are dozens of 400whp dail drivers of srt's out there for well over 15,000 miles.

I do understand your reason though for not wanting to deal with a car untill you can have total controll over it. AEM has been saying for about 4-6 months now that they will have a stand alone out it just a long frustrating wait at this point. I think I might end up going with the MegaSquirt since a lot of people have had good things to say about it on many differnt platforms.

 

[Razor]

If you have the complete ability to change the injector duty cycle, change timing.. and not get into fuel cuts or other issues.. then there is no need for an AEM.

Put the alky system in, start pulling out the fuel.. increase timing.. it will rock.

If you cannot pull fuel out.. it will go 9:1 AF and bury its nose in the sand.

I'm not an SRT tuner. I go by what I hear. If the ability is there.. then its not an issue.

There is a big difference in tuning with C16 and tuning with alky. As a lot of fuel is pulled with an alky kit. This ability to bring down the injectors is what I have in question. And the reason cars like the EVO8 go to AEM's...when they really start making power.

I know Turbo Buicks, I know how to tune a DFI like FAST.. both of these are my forte's. Srt's.. dunno.. And my tuning advice will be severely limited.

 

[AlanSRT4]

If you have the complete ability to change the injector duty cycle, change timing.. and not get into fuel cuts or other issues.. then there is no need for an AEM.

Put the alky system in, start pulling out the fuel.. increase timing.. it will rock.

If you cannot pull fuel out.. it will go 9:1 AF and bury its nose in the sand.

I'm not an SRT tuner. I go by what I hear. If the ability is there.. then its not an issue.

There is a big difference in tuning with C16 and tuning with alky. As a lot of fuel is pulled with an alky kit. This ability to bring down the injectors is what I have in question. And the reason cars like the EVO8 go to AEM's...when they really start making power.

I know Turbo Buicks, I know how to tune a DFI like FAST.. both of these are my forte's. Srt's.. dunno.. And my tuning advice will be severely limited.

Ok cool. There is a lot of confusion about the lil' neon that could LOL
heck most people that own them don't know to much about them and alky injection is still a dark and evil voodoo it seems for most 4banger guys. Right now while running the dtec I can pull fuel it's kinda like an safc but with more ability to it. Been holding off on doing just any ol injection set up cause I really feal that progressive is the key. Most that use injection systems are using water only or water with a bit of methonol and that is it. Good thing is when I jump over to a turbo buick I know the first place I can head for help and tunning :biggrin: