Musclecar shootout on Speedchannel

[topfuel]

Anybody see this program? It was pretty entertaining.
They had a selection of bone stock vintage muscle cars to
beat the snot out of, including a hemi Cuda, LS-6 Chevelle,
Boss 429 Mustang, GTO Judge and other fine rides.
They put each car through a series of performance tests
including a slalom course, 1/4 mile strip and even a burnout
contest to see which car performed the best.
Turns out the Boss 429 was voted the overall best performing
car they tested.
It was fun watching them roast the tires on the burnout test

 

[BuickMike]

I saw it. I was pretty impressed with the '70 GS's performance. Pretty funny how a convertible Buick did the best in the slalom. I personally thing if the GS was a hard top with a 4 speed it would have came out on top in the 0-60, 1/4 mile, and especially the burnout contest.

 

[topfuel]

Originally posted by BuickMike
I saw it. I was pretty impressed with the '70 GS's performance. Pretty funny how a convertible Buick did the best in the slalom. I personally thing if the GS was a hard top with a 4 speed it would have came out on top in the 0-60, 1/4 mile, and especially the burnout contest.

That was surprising, I thought the convertible Buick would have
done poorly in the slalom.

Who was that driver? I missed the beginning of the show.
That must have been so much fun hammering on all those
cars.

 

[microELVIS]

what kind of ET's on the cars ?

 

[BLACK6PACK]

Almost all the cars were between 13.8 and 14.2, or somewhere close.

 

[OneLethal87GN]

I KNOW somebody recorded this and is just DIEING to make copies for us fellow brothers.

 

[strikeeagle]

YES - copies???????????

 

[BuickMike]

Sorry, I didn't record it. I haven't used the VCR in a long time and didn't have any blanks handy.

 

[Louie L.]

Good show, the best ive seen out of those 2 tards. I was really disapointed the Mopar did so poorly,surprised that the Mustang did so well. And yess if the GS would have been a hardtop i believe it would have been a different story.

 

[topfuel]

Originally posted by Louie L.
Good show, the best ive seen out of those 2 tards. I was really disapointed the Mopar did so poorly,surprised that the Mustang did so well. And yess if the GS would have been a hardtop i believe it would have been a different story.

That hemi sure sounded mean but he said the clutch was
slipping. I'd bet the hemi would rule the 1/4 mile with a good
clutch.

 

[turbojimmy]

I tried to find it with TiVO but couldn't find it. Is it actually called "Musclecar shootout" or something else? It must be on again.....

Thanks,
Jim

 

[topfuel]

Sorry I don't even know the name of the show, I was just
flippin channels and came across it on Thursday evening.
They must be on every week, sounds like Louie L has seen
these guys before.

 

[1ARUNEM]

Try looking up "Dream Car Garage". That is the name of the show that put on the shootout.
HTH..

 

[1970gsx]

Here are the results:


Muscle Car Shoot Out on Speed Vision.

0-60 times

Chevelle 5.667 seconds

AMX 6.462 seconds

Hurst Olds 5.433 seconds

Boss Mustang 5.031 seconds

Buick Stage 1 5.559 seconds

Hemi Challenger 5.532 seconds

GTO Judge 5.763 seconds

Braking

Chevelle 140 feet

AMX 151 feet

Hurst Olds 169 feet

Boss Mustang 162 feet

Buick Stage 158 feet

Hemi Challenger 190 feet

GTO Judge 157 feet

Slalom

Chevelle 5.691 seconds

AMX 5.671 seconds

Hurst Olds 6.252 seconds

Boss Mustang 5.732 seconds

Buick Stage 5.610 seconds

Hemi Challenger 6.174 seconds

GTO Judge 5.730 seconds

¼ Mile

Chevelle 13.953 seconds 98.83 mph

AMX 14.848 seconds and 95.50 mph

Hurst Olds 13.828 seconds 100.59 mph

Boss Mustang 13,743 seconds 101.10 mph

Buick Stage 1 13.960 seconds 98.20 mph

Hemi Challenger 14.013 seconds 100.79 mph

GTO Judge 14.090 seconds 98.91 mph

 

[victa1]

Bone stock, off the showroom floor, the great American muscle cars were not that impressive by todays standards.

"Hemi Challenger 14.013 seconds 100.79 mph"
The "Hemi" was pretty much a hit or miss deal. You could get a rocket or a turd. It was usually up to the buyer to make it run like it should. I have read times from mid 13s at 107 to low 15s at 93.


Good ole' American quality control!

 

[tracy]

Originally posted by victa1
Bone stock, off the showroom floor, the great American muscle cars were not that impressive by todays standards.

"Hemi Challenger 14.013 seconds 100.79 mph"
The "Hemi" was pretty much a hit or miss deal. You could get a rocket or a turd. It was usually up to the buyer to make it run like it should. I have read times from mid 13s at 107 to low 15s at 93.


Good ole' American quality control!

I'd have to disagree on that. A few of the big block cars ran low-mid 13 second 1/4 mile times in showroom stock condition as you said. Which, is still impressive. It's as good as any stock LS1 and better than the non Cobra Mustangs. Bare one thing in mind. They ran these times on skinny 14' bias ply tires.

My stock 6bbl Roadrunner turned a 12.42 once on DR's. More average times were in the 12.7-12.9 range. It was tuned with help from Tom Hoover (Chryser Hemi Engineer). Tuning was a matter of playing with different jets, carb springs and dist. curve- that's it! Changing my timing from the stock setting of 8* to 15* really woke that motor up.

The 6bbl was by a small margin the quickest musclecar I have owned. Beating my LS6 by only a few tenths. Interesting how the LS6 would really come on down the track whereas the 6bbl seemed to have a flatter torque curve.

Checkout the pure stock drags sometime (Not the F.A.S.T) and you'll see stock musclecars running some very quick passes. They must pass a either a teardown or comprehensive stock certification inspection.

What most people forget to realize was that as delivered - These cars were in a weak state of perfromance tune. From the factory they were tuned to run as smoothly as possible.

As far as the hemi's go they notoriously foul plugs because the ignition was not hot enough for the street. When tuned by someone with a little knowledge they are tough to beat. Today it's a piece of cake - throw an MSD box on them and they run great.

 

[topfuel]

Good point on the tires, those bias plys weren't very willing to
bite at the starting line. I'm guessing the cars weighed a bit
more back then too.
Interesting how engine technology has advanced, producing the
same or better horsepower levels out of a lot less cubic inch.

Tracy, is that the same Tom Hoover that used to drive a
funny car in the NHRA?

 

[RobsIron]

Computerized fuel injection/management, suspension and tire technology is what makes all the difference nowadays.

 

[tracy]

Originally posted by topfuel
Good point on the tires, those bias plys weren't very willing to
bite at the starting line. I'm guessing the cars weighed a bit
more back then too.
Interesting how engine technology has advanced, producing the
same or better horsepower levels out of a lot less cubic inch.

Tracy, is that the same Tom Hoover that used to drive a
funny car in the NHRA?

Tom Hoover was known as " father of the Hemi" he is a real enthusiast and a nice guy to boot. I am not sure if he ever drove a funny car although I doubt it.

Yes technology has really developed to a point where = or better HP is possible. However, the old cars still out torque the new stuff in most cases by a good margin. Their power curves are less peaky as well. That's what makes them so quick. most of those motors are spent by 5,500 RPM.

 

[tyrod]

Car and Driver or Motor Trend had a mag out with the top 50 fastest musclecars. The hemi cuda was second with a 12.8 @ 110 followed by the LS6 Chevelle 13.1 @ 106 or 108. The GNX was 13th 13.6 @ 103. The Shelbly Cobra was of course first. 12.2 @ 116.