New punishment for street racers...
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Raymond Bunch
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That's kind of funny seeing this. Here at Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base. If your caught even going over 10mph, you will be doing the same thing.....in your Alpha Uniform for an entire week!!! Rain or shine
I guess it get a point across though, I haven't seen anyone doing it for a while now, must be working
Ray
That's kind of funny seeing this. Here at Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base. If your caught even going over 10mph, you will be doing the same thing.....in your Alpha Uniform for an entire week!!! Rain or shine
I guess it get a point across though, I haven't seen anyone doing it for a while now, must be working Ray
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I had to laugh when his attn. said there is some level of humiliation. What would he have felt if he had killed someone? Humiliation is the very thing that keeps people from doing stupid crap. We need to make things more humiliating and maybe everyone would stop acting so dumb about everything.
FWIW, in the new Autoweek, they mention a program in San Diego called Realrace, or some such thing. Designed to encourage kids to race at a track rather then on the street. The program was costing $.5M a year, but the gate receipts were only $.3M but with a Fed Assist it was a break even. Well, the feds pulled out so now the program dies. I think the NHRA abandonment of it's roots just stinks. The NHRA was designed to stop the street racing, but since picking up the scent of $$, it's just about the Well Heeled Pro teams and screw the guys that supported it for decades.
I wonder how many lives SD will lose this year to illegal street racing, not the having a legal track is total cure, but at least it does something.
I wonder how many lives SD will lose this year to illegal street racing, not the having a legal track is total cure, but at least it does something.
They should have put a picture of him in the paper to further humiliate him while he's wearing the sign. Here in Tampa, where getting caught racing on the street results in huge fines and losing your drivers license they just shut down a local 1/8 mile drag strip. I don't think they want to keep racing off the street, but just want to make more money on it instead. The closest 1/4 mile track to tampa is over an hour drive, and a drag strip in Tampa would never get through zoning.
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Originally posted by bruce
FWIW, in the new Autoweek, they mention a program in San Diego called Realrace, or some such thing.
You were close, the program is Race Legal and is expected to resume 18 March, they were/are waiting on funding still as of now. I've been there a few times and it's very popular, lot's of mentors volunteer their time and energy to get the young'ens off the street and on to the track. Including me when time permits, which is all worth while....they love the Buick by the way
I'll probably be going on the 18 March, so hopefully the funding will be there.
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Originally posted by Raymond Bunch
Originally posted by bruce
FWIW, in the new Autoweek, they mention a program in San Diego called Realrace, or some such thing.
You were close, the program is Race Legal and is expected to resume 18 March, they were/are waiting on funding still as of now. I've been there a few times and it's very popular, lot's of mentors volunteer their time and energy to get the young'ens off the street and on to the track. Including me when time permits, which is all worth while....they love the Buick by the way
I'll probably be going on the 18 March, so hopefully the funding will be there.
Do you think the program would still work if they doubled the racing fees?.
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To be utmost honest, yes, well in some ways. Reason being, the Mothers and Fathers of these kids are pushing for this big time. Also, let's not forget the community it self, they whole heartly support it. You would have to come and attend one of the races to see what I mean. It is so packed by 7PM that they can tech any more cars to race, there's just to many.
I for one would pay double if I had too, and I'm sure others would too. It's a good thing, and more importantly, it's for a good cause.
To be utmost honest, yes, well in some ways. Reason being, the Mothers and Fathers of these kids are pushing for this big time. Also, let's not forget the community it self, they whole heartly support it. You would have to come and attend one of the races to see what I mean. It is so packed by 7PM that they can tech any more cars to race, there's just to many.
I for one would pay double if I had too, and I'm sure others would too. It's a good thing, and more importantly, it's for a good cause.
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My take/rant/beware ramble ahead:
Street racing will never go away, you can't stop it just like you can't stop DUI's. Either your going to drive after drinking or your going to put the pedal to the mat or your not. If you take racers cars then there going to run at the first sign of blue lights and endanger even more lives trying to get away. It's almost impossible to make the fines or consequences big enough to stop human nature and impulse for competition when challenged especially when the person is racing a status symbol which they've invested time and money in to try and prove that its better and cooler than the other guys status symbol not to mention peer and pressure of impressing friends. That split second reaction of planting the throttle to the floor can sometimes only be overcome if their mommy or daddy is in the passenger seat next to them when the choice comes. It takes a consious decision to not plant the throttle when somone brings a challenge and when your young and immortal and on the open road and that decision can so easily go the wrong way.
That ramble being finished, I think the drag programs are good but it would be interesting to get candid answers from the racers to see how many will still street race if put in the situation, after all now they have practice at racing and even more confidence of being able to control their car in what they think may be any situation that may happen on the street.
And with the current manufacturers horsepower wars going on its only going to get more active. So whats the answer, I don't know. 10 yrs ago a kid driving a honda civic wouldn't race because it was seen as a no power econobox w/ no status now thats changed. Maybe impound a racers car for a year and make them buy and drive a yugo so they still have transportation and only 75HP but thats not gonna ever happen because if they get creamed by an SUV in it the parents will sue saying the car was unsafe. Maybe electronic limiting or logging devices on their cars which call mommy whenever they detect WOT, that ani't gonna happen either. Make the fines bad enough then you also have to deal with the possibility of cops abusing the law like the time they arrested everyone in the parking lot of a shopping center even though many people were actual shoppers.
I'm 37 and my heart will still pound when I even 'think' a challenge may be present so I do my best to make that consious decision to not do something stupid. I've had the big ticket for doing the wrong thing and don't want to go thru that again, I'd much rather drive on home and have dinner than sit in a cell.
I don't know the answer, had to vent, sorry--rant off.
Street racing will never go away, you can't stop it just like you can't stop DUI's. Either your going to drive after drinking or your going to put the pedal to the mat or your not. If you take racers cars then there going to run at the first sign of blue lights and endanger even more lives trying to get away. It's almost impossible to make the fines or consequences big enough to stop human nature and impulse for competition when challenged especially when the person is racing a status symbol which they've invested time and money in to try and prove that its better and cooler than the other guys status symbol not to mention peer and pressure of impressing friends. That split second reaction of planting the throttle to the floor can sometimes only be overcome if their mommy or daddy is in the passenger seat next to them when the choice comes. It takes a consious decision to not plant the throttle when somone brings a challenge and when your young and immortal and on the open road and that decision can so easily go the wrong way.
That ramble being finished, I think the drag programs are good but it would be interesting to get candid answers from the racers to see how many will still street race if put in the situation, after all now they have practice at racing and even more confidence of being able to control their car in what they think may be any situation that may happen on the street.
And with the current manufacturers horsepower wars going on its only going to get more active. So whats the answer, I don't know. 10 yrs ago a kid driving a honda civic wouldn't race because it was seen as a no power econobox w/ no status now thats changed. Maybe impound a racers car for a year and make them buy and drive a yugo so they still have transportation and only 75HP but thats not gonna ever happen because if they get creamed by an SUV in it the parents will sue saying the car was unsafe. Maybe electronic limiting or logging devices on their cars which call mommy whenever they detect WOT, that ani't gonna happen either. Make the fines bad enough then you also have to deal with the possibility of cops abusing the law like the time they arrested everyone in the parking lot of a shopping center even though many people were actual shoppers.
I'm 37 and my heart will still pound when I even 'think' a challenge may be present so I do my best to make that consious decision to not do something stupid. I've had the big ticket for doing the wrong thing and don't want to go thru that again, I'd much rather drive on home and have dinner than sit in a cell.
I don't know the answer, had to vent, sorry--rant off.
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Sad to say Boost, I agree. As long as testosterone flows, street racing will live on. Seems like a great thing for the cops to do and cities would be to have a program set up for grudge racing at a large parking lot somewhere and the cops could run the races for the kids. Be a great community outreach plus expose the kids to the cops and let them see that those guys are good people and there to help. That seems like a win/win to me.
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The big problem I can see with those Race Legal and other programs is probally the very reason this Erik Rivera was racing on the streets. They have Friday and sometimes Wednesday night racing at the local track an hours drive away from where he got caught. Well so many cars show up you are lucky if you get 2 runs in in a 4-5 hour span. No wonder they keep racing in the streets. Even if the track imposes a limit on how many cars can run they still have to turn away a very large number of cars. It gets real old paying $10-$20 to get in the gate only to wait 2 hours to make a pass. Plus with so many cars and drivers acting like idiots you run the risk of getting into an accident.
IMO the penalty for street racing isn't stiff enough. I spent a few days in civil court one county over in Orlando and as long as you got caught doing anything BUT running from the cops you got off with a very mild fine. These kids spend thousands of dollars on wheels and body kits. You think a $250 fine is going to put a dent in their pockets? How many kids are still out there driving on suspended license's? Maybe the penalty should be the same as if it was your 3rd offense for DUI. Down here they conviscate your car and make you serve jail time for DUI. One problem I found was the different branches of government dont communicate with each other. I.e. the court takes away your license but you can still walk next door and get new plates and renew your cars registration. Why do you need plates if you cant drive? It doesn't make sense.
IMO the penalty for street racing isn't stiff enough. I spent a few days in civil court one county over in Orlando and as long as you got caught doing anything BUT running from the cops you got off with a very mild fine. These kids spend thousands of dollars on wheels and body kits. You think a $250 fine is going to put a dent in their pockets? How many kids are still out there driving on suspended license's? Maybe the penalty should be the same as if it was your 3rd offense for DUI. Down here they conviscate your car and make you serve jail time for DUI. One problem I found was the different branches of government dont communicate with each other. I.e. the court takes away your license but you can still walk next door and get new plates and renew your cars registration. Why do you need plates if you cant drive? It doesn't make sense.
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Good point fellas, I totaly agree with ya. It will never end, but we can prevent some of it from happening, and saving just one life is worth any amount of money to run one of these events.
Of course some of the politicians don't see it that way. That's why Race Legal is having a hard time getting funding now.
By the way, were in California, everything is more difficult here
Of course some of the politicians
don't see it that way. That's why Race Legal is having a hard time getting funding now. By the way, were in California, everything is more difficult here
Yes, but, you can work towards reducing it. Even when there were 5 good tracks within ~60 miles of each other, on Sun Night the LASR's would meet. And there's still be hundreds of cars there. BUT, not everone would go out racing. For many guys the Sun get togethers were just about hanging out, and socializing. *We'd* spent all the time we wanted out at the tracks, racing all we wanted. If everyone that was running an 11-12 sec back then would head out when the'd go racing I'm sure, there'd have been alot more injuries. While 11s don't sound like much nowadays, but in the early 70s that was a pretty healthy street car.
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http://www.racelegal.com/site/introduction.htm
During 2002 San Diego suffered the devastation of 16 fatalities and 31 serious injuries as a direct result of illegal street racing activity.
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16 lives, and 31 serious injuries for one county is staggering, IMO. Yes, SD is huge, but the numbers bear out something should be done, well, IMO..
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Point taken, certainly understand that.
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HA! HA! Yeah, that's my little buddy Abner.
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From the race legal site, turbo regal on the right... Anyone on here?
HA! HA! Yeah, that's my little buddy Abner.
His name on TurboBuick.com is "TurboBusa" Cool guy too, he just got deployed to Okinawa I believe and should be back in a few months.
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A legal event like that would go over so well here. We have 3 colleges in this town, and plenty of people that would go. Sadly, it will never happen. Our closest track is probably 1.5 hours away. They used to open up the airports on weekends and some nights for people to run on. But, that doesnt happen anymore. Now the cops have their hands full. I keep my nose clean, since getting ticketed, but the urge to go is still there. It always will be. Its about competition, to be better than the next guy, its a drive, just like hunger. If youre hungry, you can only go without food for so long. Some people play football, some play hoops, some people golf. Theres a lot of people that use their cars to prove they are better. Its like telling a group of guys they have to take their informal game of hoops to an "approved" court an hour away if they want to play.
