Oxy-Hydrogen - Brown's Gas

[Jerryl]

Anyone experiment with Oxy-Hydrogen?

My understanding is . . . . . because of the flame front speed when adding this gas to the charge, the fuel burns completely at incredible speed, which creates cumbustion pressures (i.e. Energy) high enough that one can approach the limit of the otto cycle.(Otto Cycle Calculated Efficiency)

With the complete burn (BSFC) and increased burn speed (Cylinder Pressure) at low timing, you can approach 300-500% of stoich, without detonation.
Oxyhydrogen

Food for thought . . . . . .

 

[Rivical]

I've been thinking of looking into this more seriously lately with the predictions of future gas prices. I remember what a huge stink was raised when Meyer suddenly died 15yrs ago. It appears you have a leg up on me already. Most of what I've read on discreditting it come from the assertion that it doesn't produce a net gain in energy, as was his silly claim. Obviously that's irrelevent though. The way I see it, with a big enough generator to provide for the electrolysis needs, you get a fuel for the combustion needs which may indeed be able to power a vehicle. Just from recollection, gasoline internal combustion produces a 35% return on invested energy, so why would an even more inefficient engine using a different fuel source be a problem? I'd seriously consider it a winner to use water, if it works at all. May be an expensive propostion though. If you were required to build a serious motor to get only modest power, the only gain would be in operational expenses.

I'd spoken with some old hippie types who claimed they'd played with variations of hydrogen fuel back in the day. Seems they'd all run VW's too for some reason I didn't think to be curious about at the time, just assumed it was because of their cultural desires. They all agreed in having given up on it as tempermental and dangerous.

 

[Jerryl]

I've been thinking of looking into this more seriously lately with the predictions of future gas prices. I remember what a huge stink was raised when Meyer suddenly died 15yrs ago. It appears you have a leg up on me already. Most of what I've read on discreditting it come from the assertion that it doesn't produce a net gain in energy, as was his silly claim. Obviously that's irrelevent though. The way I see it, with a big enough generator to provide for the electrolysis needs, you get a fuel for the combustion needs which may indeed be able to power a vehicle. Just from recollection, gasoline internal combustion produces a 35% return on invested energy, so why would an even more inefficient engine using a different fuel source be a problem? I'd seriously consider it a winner to use water, if it works at all. May be an expensive propostion though. If you were required to build a serious motor to get only modest power, the only gain would be in operational expenses.

I'd spoken with some old hippie types who claimed they'd played with variations of hydrogen fuel back in the day. Seems they'd all run VW's too for some reason I didn't think to be curious about at the time, just assumed it was because of their cultural desires. They all agreed in having given up on it as tempermental and dangerous.

I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination so take this FWIW.
Following lengthy discussions with a few very knowledgable people , it is my understanding that Oxy-Hydrogen is very different from hydrogen gas.
Hard for me to explain.

The idea is not to run on 100% of the stuff, but like methanol, supplement the charge to increase burn efficiency.
The Otto cycle is 35%, but the theoretical efficiency is closer to 60%. (See link from MIT)

 

[whitehot84]

There are many theories out there. This guy has some of the answers.
Daniel Dingle Water Car

 

[Vampire]

which creates cumbustion pressures (i.e. Energy) high enough that one can approach the limit of the otto cycle.(Otto Cycle Calculated Efficiency)

Otto's doing cycles now too? Geez, with what his shop's done with some of those turbo Buicks, I bet his cycles are badass :biggrin:

 

[Jerryl]

Otto's doing cycles now too? Geez, with what his shop's done with some of those turbo Buicks, I bet his cycles are badass :biggrin:

Yeah, "the cycle" was named after him. LOL! :biggrin:

 

[turbofabricator]

All I can say is if it REALLY worked, the OEM would be using it. The conspiracy theory that the oil companies run the show, then why is everyone going electric? I know, I know, because Al Gore is funding it so his British company make TONS of money. (I think there's SOMETHING to that , though.)
If Ford could produce a car that gets 75MPG, they would sell a MILLION over night. They want to make money. If it works, a true Capitalist WILL make it happen. There have been lots of undercover media reports on the oxy-hydrogan devices that show ZERO gain. But I'm SURE they are part of the conspiracy, too. Just like "Chem Trails"

Wanna read Moon Bat theories.......Google "Chem Trails". I build commercial airliners. That stuff is a COMPLETE load of CRAP! But that is for another thread.