Te60

[jswmotor]

Will 42.5 injectors support a TE60 ok??? Street driving only no strip.

 

[salvageV6]

Can't see why not.

Ran my Bosch 42.5's up to 25 psi. on my TA62 with pump gas and alky.

Then they were about done using normal fuel pressures.

Stock motor no heads or cam.

 

[turbofrank]

You are ok watch your scan tool

 

[jswmotor]

Are 50's better?????????

 

[bruce]

Originally posted by jswmotor
Are 50's better?????????

Yes, and 60/65s better yet.

The 60/65s still need no ecm mods, and allow for you to get serious in the future without having to buy yet another set.

 

[jswmotor]

Te 60 is the fastest I want to go. I just want to be strong on the street and be safe with fuel and boost. My last car was a 44 turbo and 42.5's extended intercooler etc... I liked that set up. I purchased another car and came across a like new TE60 at a good price and already have the 42.5's. So, is it best to get rid of the 42's or keep them??? Remember, street use only. Daily driven.

 

[salvageV6]

How much boost will you be running?

What timing and chip?

What heads and cam?

Ever been dyno.d.?

I don't think you will have a problem with the 42's at 25 psi. boost with a stock block with that turbo.

Assuming you have the octane to run 25psi. and a good chip.

 

[jswmotor]

18 to 20 psi

Chip will be custom from Turbo-Tune.

Stock heads and cam.

Spearco stock location style, extended intercooler.

340 pump with hot wire kit.

65mm TB and matching 65mm street Hemco. I also have a 70mm TB Accufab with matching hat.

Hooker headers.

(need downpipe!!)

Planning to use adjustable wastegate???

 

[Brer Rabbit]

too lean, too long, too bad!

I remember seeing an old car craft article that started with that catchy phrase. Why risk ur motor with 42's, get the 50's and forget about it. There cheap enuff---I got mine brand new for $215.00. I data logged my car with them last week with a t63e stock intercooler and 18 pounds of boost on pump gas with no timing retard.

 

[salvageV6]

You will be perfectly fine with those 42's at that level.

Probably not over 80% dc either.

Assuming the chip reasonable street timing.

I wouldn't even think about buying injectors at that boost and power level.

I'd buy Direct Scan or new stock headers or a downpipe first.

 

[2QUIK6]

Without alky, the 42.5s won't make it over 22# no matter what octane you have. My 40# inj were at 110% DC at 21# and O2s in the 770's. But for 18-20# you'll be fine...but you know you'll end up wanting to crank the boost up with some race gas eventually. You'll need to adjust the WOT fueling and the TE60 will flow alot more air at lower boost levels than the previous turbo...

 

[NCTURBOS]

Originally posted by 2QUIK6
Without alky, the 42.5s won't make it over 22# no matter what octane you have.

That's a completely false statement!! We've used the 009's with a Ta/Te61 on a bunch of cars with no problems up to 30 psi boost and VP C-16, all on cars running 117+ mph through the 1/4 mi. And these are stock head/cam/bottom end/torque converter/intercooler/etc. cars just like his.

The choice is yours, but IMHO I'd either run the 009's you have or get the 60/65 lb. injectors.


K.

 

[2QUIK6]

Originally posted by NCTURBOS
That's a completely false statement!! We've used the 009's with a Ta/Te61 on a bunch of cars with no problems up to 30 psi boost and VP C-16, all on cars running 117+ mph through the 1/4 mi. And these are stock head/cam/bottom end/torque converter/intercooler/etc. cars just like his.

Mine sure would not. Maybe each car is a little different, would not think it would be that much different. 30psi thru stock heads does not gain you much over 25# since they can't flow anymore.
This was also using a CAS V4 IC, maybe that helps let in some more air compared to what you had seen.

But saying it is completely false is as false as saying you can run 30psi with 009s and a 60 or 61 turbo, there are other things to be considered. Since you already have them, go for it, just keep a close eye on things with a good laptop scan tool.

I should also point out, this is with fp set at 42 line-off..theoretically you could crank up the fp an ungodly amount and make the stocker work, would just idle like crap, and providing the fp could deliver the pressure.

 

[NCTURBOS]

Originally posted by 2QUIK6
Mine sure would not. Maybe each car is a little different, would not think it would be that much different. 30psi thru stock heads does not gain you much over 25# since they can't flow anymore.
This was also using a CAS V4 IC, maybe that helps let in some more air compared to what you had seen.

But saying it is completely false is as false as saying you can run 30psi with 009s and a 60 or 61 turbo, there are other things to be considered.

We've done this with multiple cars, and there was not much of a difference in the performance of them. All were in the 7.3's-7.4's @ 95+ mph in the 1/8th, and deep in the 11's @ 117+ mph through the 1/4 mi. We have always seen a performance gain with this combination going from 25 psi to 30 psi boost. The V4 should have helped your inlet air temp.

Again just my opinion and experience with the 009's. On a mid 11-sec. street car they work just fine.

K.

 

[2QUIK6]

Ask Captain Mark how far he made it with his 009's and a GT3255 turbo too before running out of fuel in his TTA

 

[jswmotor]

44 turbo better choice????

Everyone, thanks for this input. This is what I need to see.

Let me add more info. The engine is 90,000 untouched and I dont plan to do any internal mods at anytime in the future, unless I blow it and that is what I am trying to avoid.

If a 44 turbo is a better street choice than the TE60 with 009's then tell me your opinion.

With the parts I have listed above in an earlier post (and a down pipe to be added) is this the best I can be on a daily driven street car???

I will drive this car on the street hard. I dont drive anything easy.

 

[salvageV6]

At 20 pounds of boost, and I'm not quite sure how you plan on doing that on pump gas, those 42's will work just fine.

That turbo won't be making more than 35 HP over a stocker at that boost.

42's will support a lot more HP than you will be making.

I'd still get an alky. kit, no not to replace fuel, just to add some octane and cooling and anti-detonation ability and run the thing at 23/24 psi. and be happy.

Use what you have and get some alky. with the money, or else direct scan then you can tell us what boost the 42's are done at.

Eric at Turbotweak makes a good street chip as well as alky. chips.

 

[jswmotor]

Originally posted by salvageV6
At 20 pounds of boost, and I'm not quite sure how you plan on doing that on pump gas, those 42's will work just fine.

On my other car and smaller turbo I had to run an additive with 93 oct. at 22-24 psi. Should I get rid get rid of the 60 and get another smaller turbo for the street??

In your opinion, what is the fastest set up for the street on pump gas??

 

[salvageV6]

I don't think a 60 is considered a large turbo.

It would probably like a 2800/3000 stall converter however.

I have a PTE51 on my GN with the Bosch 42 injectors, it does fine at 25 psi. boost with a SMC alky. kit, 3000 stall single disk Vigilante converter. I still have my spare TA62 I may put on the car as it's next mod., don't see that being a problem in any way other than slightly more lag spooling but a nicer top end charge to make up for it.

Probably 10 hp difference between a 44 and a 60 at 20 psi. boost with the same housings etc. on the two turbos.

I'd buy for the good deal and keep the 42's if you have a good chip for them already.

If not go straight to the 60 HiZ's.

Fastest setup on the street would be heads and cams cars or a Stage motor.

I run a BB70 turbo on my other stock block and probably see about 30-35 HP difference at the same 25 psi. boost vs. the PTE51. Going by racetrack calculations since I've only dyno'd one of the cars so far.

Not really worth the effort installing a huge turbo, but I was buying for when upgrading the heads and cam. Still gonna do that someday.....

Not sure what torque converter you have?

Just look around at peoples combo's. for the drivers there's lots of ways to go fast in a daily driver.

I like the alky. kit way myself.

 

[jswmotor]

salvageV6

Thank you for the input.