While i cruised the strip last night, i pulled into a lot with some rice sitting there. They were very impressed to see a clean GN cruisng town. As they looked inside... they started asking where my boost controller was, and where my turbo timer was, and it confused the hell out of me. Ive heard of these things, but I never questioned the importance of them to my car. I would like to see my car in the low 11's next year, but i doubt it. Im dropping an intercooler, a rebuilt up tranny, and a 50-100 shot of nitrous. I run a 12.2 with slicks all ready, so i think i can hit that. I know these cars need the electronics in them, but what should i grab first?
turbo timers, boost controllers... what do i need?
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innovative turbo systems MSBC boost controller! Newly redesigned with more features than you can imagine, it fits your ride on the street or track! Very good investment!
innovative turbo systems MSBC boost controller! Newly redesigned with more features than you can imagine, it fits your ride on the street or track! Very good investment!
Do you really need a turbo timer? No. BUT, it is convenient. It lets the engine/turbo do some cooling down before shutting the engine off. I think it is a pretty cheap (less then $100) way to make your engine/turbo last a little longer. And guess what?? I just happen to sell turbo timers. Let me know which one you want and I will get you a price. If you do not know what is out there, email me and I will show you what is out there.
As for the boost controllers, the MSBC that Innovative is THE bad mamojamma!! It is the best one out there. Jack Cotton (www.cottonsperformance.com) was running a special on them in the Vendors section. My only problem with that particular controller is that it is overkill for the average Joe with a turbo car. Plus it is kinda pricey. There are other boost controllers out there that are perfect for street/strip cars that are $100-200 cheaper than the MSBC. I also happen to sell just about everyother boost controller out there. Jack is the guy to talk to about the MSBC.
Pretty soon, I am going to do a write up about all the boost controllers and the turbo timers for the Buick guys to read. Not that they are all needed. I just want the Buick crowd to see what is out there and what the differences are.
The turbo timer will not make you any more horsepower. The boost controller will not make you anymore peak horsepower as long as you already have the boost you want with the wastegate. The boost controllers have solenoids that allow the boost to come on more quickly by letting the wastegate open later than the stock setup will.
I personally would get the boost controller first because it makes adjusting boost easy. The timer is pretty cheap, so it can be had at any time.
Forgot to mention that there is not (not yet anyways) a harness to plug the various timers into the Buick wiring harness. You have to cut and splice. It is pretty easy to do, just kid of a pain to do it under the dash
.Maybe I'm old fashioned but my $30 bleeder valve mounted in the car has worked flawlessly for years. The turbo timer is another thing I don't think is necessary. I'd rather take it easy the last mile or so and save the money on a timer. Leaving the car sitting there running is not something I want to do. I run a preluber which runs for a minute or so after I shut the motor down. I got it for pre startup but it does basically the same thing as a timer and you don't have to leave the car running. I wouldn't take advise from ricers, boost controllers, while functional are there more to impress their friends than make any power.
There are advantages to using an electronic boost controller .You will not overboost with a correctly installed electronic boost controller and there is no guess like you have with a bleeder valve, and with that said, it could save a head gasket. It would be low on my priority list for a 12 sec car though and like mentioned above , I'd still take the chance with a bleeder.
Thanks for the input guys, its helped out a lot, im putting a lot stuff down for my Christmas list A couple more things, im in college, so i have to kinda upgrade in stages cuz lack of money. I was going to get an intercooler first. Next summer im putting on a new turbo (50-60 series). If you guys have some suggestions itd be great. Also, what would be the limit on nitrous with stock internals? Motor just rolled 55k last night. Once again, Thanks a lot.
A couple more things, im in college, so i have to kinda upgrade in stages cuz lack of money. I was going to get an intercooler first. Next summer im putting on a new turbo (50-60 series). If you guys have some suggestions itd be great. Also, what would be the limit on nitrous with stock internals? Motor just rolled 55k last night. Once again, Thanks a lot.36lb injectors
no front sway bar
ATR pitbull chip (20psi street)
Red Armstrong 108 chip (24psi strip)
stock turbo/intercooler
induction through headlight
15" K&N cone filter
3" inlet to turbo
3" downpipe heatwrapped
ATR Y pipe into 2 1/2" straights, 3" cutout
Competition Engineering 3-way adjustable shocks all the way around
Skinny front tires, 275/50/15 Nitto 555R drag radials on the back
Weld Racing Draglite wheels
Taylor 409 Spiro spark plug wires
That runs a 12.8 at 105 right there. 8.1 @ 88 in the 1/8th. Runs 12.2 on slicks.
no front sway bar
ATR pitbull chip (20psi street)
Red Armstrong 108 chip (24psi strip)
stock turbo/intercooler
induction through headlight
15" K&N cone filter
3" inlet to turbo
3" downpipe heatwrapped
ATR Y pipe into 2 1/2" straights, 3" cutout
Competition Engineering 3-way adjustable shocks all the way around
Skinny front tires, 275/50/15 Nitto 555R drag radials on the back
Weld Racing Draglite wheels
Taylor 409 Spiro spark plug wires
That runs a 12.8 at 105 right there. 8.1 @ 88 in the 1/8th. Runs 12.2 on slicks.
Im not saying they are the best tire, but for what i have, they work well, the only time i spin is my 1-2 shift that i can feel. I have been looking at some others though. Next year I dont feel confident they will be enough though. Any suggestions?
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since you're asking a pretty vague question here I'd reccomend checking out some of the above links to "recipies" and recipie cars...
when you're ready for a good boost controller the MSBC is the way to go, allows you to CONTROL lag and spool intervals, also seperate boost levels per tranny gear selection, very ingenious piece. Also has launch boost settings...incredible on street (not that you should race your car on the street
) allows you to "control" wheelspin upon launch from 0mph and in each indivudual gear...
since you're asking a pretty vague question here I'd reccomend checking out some of the above links to "recipies" and recipie cars...
when you're ready for a good boost controller the MSBC is the way to go, allows you to CONTROL lag and spool intervals, also seperate boost levels per tranny gear selection, very ingenious piece. Also has launch boost settings...incredible on street (not that you should race your car on the street
) allows you to "control" wheelspin upon launch from 0mph and in each indivudual gear...VERY NICE!
Here's a super quality non-electronic boost controller:
www.hallmanboostcontroller.com
HTH
Here's a super quality non-electronic boost controller:
www.hallmanboostcontroller.com
HTH
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Re: VERY NICE!
Two Lane did you just eat rice when you posted that?
you can get a similar setup through Penn Hydraulics/pneumatics, DIY kit with regulator and pressure relief the relief will allow you to set the SPEED at which the wastegate is actuated (opened) most wastegates/actuators/controllers on the market when used with simply a pressure regulator or bleeder valve (same difference) will begin opening the wastegate as soon as the engine sees boost or shortly thereafter, this is NOT what you want and the pressure relief allow full removal of this characteristic.
Originally posted by Two Lane
Here's a super quality non-electronic boost controller:
www.hallmanboostcontroller.com
HTH
Two Lane did you just eat rice when you posted that?
you can get a similar setup through Penn Hydraulics/pneumatics, DIY kit with regulator and pressure relief the relief will allow you to set the SPEED at which the wastegate is actuated (opened) most wastegates/actuators/controllers on the market when used with simply a pressure regulator or bleeder valve (same difference) will begin opening the wastegate as soon as the engine sees boost or shortly thereafter, this is NOT what you want and the pressure relief allow full removal of this characteristic. The Hallman boost controller is a very nice piece, but It is WAY too expensive for what it is. You can run the "Grainger" valve for about $20. Works like a champ and never had boost spikes, just the boost you want everytime. The weather does change it a little bit though.
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The first electronic device you should put on your car is a Scanmaster! If you don't have a scantool, buy one.
Or, you fellows can purchase my setup which was designed for TR's. The In-Car kit comes with both a pressure relief and bleeder valve(Gives you the quick spool-up of the pressure relief, and the In-Car adjustability of a bleeder valve(you can evenadjust in half PSI increments with it if you'd like)).
You can read more about it here: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77937
email: dcc@japan.com
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You can read more about it here: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77937
email: dcc@japan.com
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Yeah yeah WHAT HE SAID !!!!!
exactly, if you want to get the one via Penn pneumatics, call 411 and get the number for penn pneumatics in west chester PA, I'd have to DIG for about 1/2 hour in my files to find the #...oh wait they are on the net, USE GOOGLE search, you'll find it N/P I dont have to run by that again !!! just scroll back up and reread LOL
hope that helped (some lol)
Originally posted by Sinful6
Or, you fellows can purchase my setup which was designed for TR's. The In-Car kit comes with both a pressure relief and bleeder valve(Gives you the quick spool-up of the pressure relief, and the In-Car adjustability of a bleeder valve(you can evenadjust in half PSI increments with it if you'd like)).
You can read more about it here: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77937
email: dcc@japan.com
-DC
Yeah yeah WHAT HE SAID !!!!!
exactly, if you want to get the one via Penn pneumatics, call 411 and get the number for penn pneumatics in west chester PA, I'd have to DIG for about 1/2 hour in my files to find the #...oh wait they are on the net, USE GOOGLE search, you'll find it N/P I dont have to run by that again !!! just scroll back up and reread LOL
hope that helped (some lol)
