24 row Mease intercooler results

[Nick Micale]

The subject intercooler was installed on a turbo Buick the other day replacing a V-2 front mount. The results of track testing and comparing the performance numbers are very interesting.

First, the car has been running consistant, with no changes for 3 track outings, with the boost set at max which turned out to be 22 psi. The wastegate was held tightly closed and no more boost was available. These outings all were in the temperature range of 90-100 degrees.

With the Mease 24 row I/C, the boost increased to 24 psi! A total of 3 passes verified this increase both with the data recorder and a hold-type boost gauge. This indicates to me that the 24 row stock location Mease unit has less internal restriction than the V-2 front mount.

Another VERY significant bonus is the much reduced engine temps. With the V-2 after the first run the car would be about 190 degrees when returning to the pit. After 3 runs the heat soak would keep the water temp almost 200 deg. and more if the car was run much in the staging lanes. The entire time with 3 runs the temps did not go over 165 deg. with the 24 row unit. This is very exciting as the oil pressure numbers were about 10 lbs higher at idle and more at RPM!

I know this is not very scientific testing, but the "real world" numbers are valid representation of stock location I/C performance vs. a typical front mount.

The installation was straightforward with no cutting or bending and all hardware was supplied.

This intercooler should be capable of low 10's/high 9's [or more?], and plan to test this with the TA alum motor and big turbo now being put together.

 

[Reaper]

Nick, was this a test and will the V2 be put back on or will the mease unit be apart of *whitey* for a while?

keith was more then happy to hear of the results when i talked to him last.



Dathan

 

[postal]

I like stock location IC's. Too many people look right past them and go to front mounts. I do have a couple goofy questions I would like to ask about the extra boost but its late and I need sleep.

Jason

 

[Intercooler]

Originally posted by Nick Micale

Another VERY significant bonus is the much reduced engine temps. With the V-4 after the first run the car would be about 190 degrees when returning to the pit. After 3 runs the heat soak would keep the water temp almost 200 deg. and more if the car was run much in the staging lanes. The entire time with 3 runs the temps did not go over 165 deg. with the 24 row unit. This is very exciting as the oil pressure numbers were about 10 lbs higher at idle and more at RPM!

I know this is not very scientific testing, but the "real world" numbers are valid representation of stock location I/C performance vs. a typical front mount.

The installation was straightforward with no cutting or bending and all hardware was supplied.

This intercooler should be capable of low 10's/high 9's [or more?], and plan to test this with the TA alum motor and big turbo now being put together.

You state in the second sentence V-4.... do you mean V-2

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you. It also states in the article that the air-dams will need cut to clear the IC scoop (Keith said he made changes to clear this up), if you have lower frame braces a different set will need to be purchased or mods made to make them fit with the IC. Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

 

[mark b]

how old was the V-2 front mount? Was it cleaned internally and externally before the test?

 

[Mease Performance]

Re: Re: 24 row Mease intercooler results

Originally posted by Intercooler
You state in the second sentence V-4.... do you mean V-2

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you. It also states in the article that the air-dams will need cut to clear the IC scoop (Keith said he made changes to clear this up), if you have lower frame braces a different set will need to be purchased or mods made to make them fit with the IC. Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

As to the fit I got the GMHTP magazine and it took two people to get that one in but maybe they weren't as proficient as you.

any upgraded stock location intercooler will take time to align properly, if you have never installed one before it could take you an hour or so to get it aligned... I'm not sure about Rick Jensen, but I know for sure that the slp boys probabally never installed an intercooler in a buick...

 

[southern boost]

Hey Nick ,

I like the real results gives me some ideas on what my car will do when i decide what i'm goin to do ,also the Q you asked incooler one guy can install the ic by their self .



randy

 

[Mease Performance]

intercooler/sb clearance

Other than that the article stated the sway-bar was wrapped with rubber to prevent false knock. HTH

It is not a necessity to wrap the SB with rubber couplings with our intercooler, it is only a safeguard and something we have done for years, so we reccomended it in the article to Rick...

Our intercooler is very large, it was either it hit the swaybar or one of the frame braces, we opted to keep it away from the SB and remove the one frame brace, as I mentioned before the unit only slightly hits the frame brace, a fix which can be done at you local muffler shop by having them put a slightly greater bend in the one brace offering more clearance.

 

[QuickWrench]

These is great information...but what did the car actually RUN before and after? 2psi more boost is great; I'm assuming the car did in fact run faster?

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by southern boost
Hey Nick ,

I like the real results gives me some ideas on what my car will do when i decide what i'm goin to do ,also the Q you asked incooler one guy can install the ic by their self . randy

As with ALL intercooler installs, even stock, a third hand is VERY helpful!


Car ran .20 and 2 MPH faster.

 

[TClassic]

Originally posted by QuickWrench
These is great information...but what did the car actually RUN before and after? 2psi more boost is great; I'm assuming the car did in fact run faster?

Thats what I'm sure EVERYONE was wondering, as in GMHTP
article the car did NOT run any faster at ALL, mph that is!!!
He did pick up 4 HUNDRETHS though.

 

[The Radius Kid]

Interesting.A couple of good questions too.
1.Was the V-2 cleaned before the testing.
2.Was it the 2 piece up pipe?

 

[boostedLC2]

How much does the Meese intercooler weigh including the mounting hardware?

Thanks,

Jim

 

[turbo87limited]

Guys, I have had my MPE 24 row for about three months now. I have had it on & off at least 3 times now. I have done each & every time by myself, it is not that hard. As far as performance gains, my seat of the pants tells me it's hauling azz. Track times will be availible by the second weekend of November.
Bubba Nicholson

 

[2FAST4U]

So basically, one MAN from the south can install this intercooler or 2-3 regular people can install it.

 

[JDSfastGN]

Originally posted by 2FAST4U
So basically, one MAN from the south can install this intercooler or 2-3 regular people can install it.

haha.

About the GMHTP article the testing was done during completly different conditions that were a lot worse, it was a lot hotter and the humidity was a lot higher as well. The car still ran quicker, it would be nice to see a back to back test in good weather but i think it is still a testament to the design still going faster in a lot worse conditions. Hell thats a rarity in GMHTP, i remember almost every car they have seems to go slower with more mods lol

 

[frankg]

I'd like to compare the time slips at the same boost levels. No doubt it should run faster with 2-3 more psi of boost. Maybe next time out you can try a pass at the same boost as before and then we should learn a bit more about it!! As to the temps, my car ran it's quickest times in hot humid air so that doesn't tell us much . I prefer the stock locations also and have heard good things about Mease's unit--- I meen his Intercooler Frank

 

[TClassic]

Originally posted by JDSfastGN
haha.

The car still ran quicker, it would be nice to see a back to back test in good weather but i think it is still a testament to the design still going faster in a lot worse conditions.

The car picked up 4 HUNDRETHS, most likely in the 60', and LOST a FULL MPH! As far as the Temp difference, it was ~19 to 20 degrees warmer. So going from a TOTAL Stock intercooler, to the BIG flowing Mease, he really "Should" have STILL picked-up 1 or maybe 2 MPH, 20 degree temp difference not-withstanding!

Although Ricks car, with 225,000mi has probably seen better days though!

 

[Mease Performance]

GMHTP

Originally posted by TClassic
The car picked up 4 HUNDRETHS, most likely in the 60', and LOST a FULL MPH! As far as the Temp difference, it was ~19 to 20 degrees warmer. So going from a TOTAL Stock intercooler, to the BIG flowing Mease, he really "Should" have STILL picked-up 1 or maybe 2 MPH, 20 degree temp difference not-withstanding!

Although Ricks car, with 225,000mi has probably seen better days though!

I've seen ricks car make a pass, the GNX susp is NOT setup even close for drag racing, the car lifts 4-5" when he comes out, the car will not hook, hence them mentioning they couldnt leave at any more than 4 PSI....

OBVIOUSLY with the dyno figures the car IS 3-3.5 tenths faster than before.... When a new chip is burned and car is properly setup with the new intercooler, gains in the vicinity of .5 will be seen...I guarantee it....

BTW Brian (Tclassic) you need to email me about the business we still have yet to finish...

thanks!

 

[JDSfastGN]

Originally posted by TClassic
The car picked up 4 HUNDRETHS, most likely in the 60', and LOST a FULL MPH! As far as the Temp difference, it was ~19 to 20 degrees warmer. So going from a TOTAL Stock intercooler, to the BIG flowing Mease, he really "Should" have STILL picked-up 1 or maybe 2 MPH, 20 degree temp difference not-withstanding!

Although Ricks car, with 225,000mi has probably seen better days though!

The previous best was acheived in 56 degrees and 40% humidity, and the new test was in 84 degrees and 87% humidity and yes that can make a huge difference, especially if the car was not tuned for the hotter more humid weather. I can feel a huge SOTP difference when a front blows through down here and drops our humidity from the normal 100% to 50 or so. They also had the dump closed running through full exhaust where as before they had it open.