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are PTE's 50# injectors the same ones made by MSD/Delphi? also, PTE claims the 42.5# injectors are good to low11's/hi 10's. my goal is mid-hi 11's in street trim @ the track w/the exception of slicks. the 42.5#'ers are signifigantly less money than the 50's. what are HP/ET limits for both sets of injectors. with fuel, i would rather have lots of room to grow rather than pushing injectors to their limits. what are the +/- of each injectors and why do so many prefer the 50's?
 
I'm running 50s on my car. I would love to break into the 10s but don't know if my combo will do that. I went with the 50s so that If I did go 10s I would not run out of injector. I think alot of people like them because its the biggest injector you can use without modifying the ECM. Don't know the specific limits of each but 50s would be fine for what you want to do.
 
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i like the 42.5ers with a 7th fogged into the uppipe forced air takes the fuel where ya need it. hob switch turns on 7th at 18 lbs of boost keeps her lean enough to spool quick and fat enough to run like hell on the big end also have 2nd fuel pump staged to come on with inj to keep the fuel press up. peace out bret rudbeck
 
PTE 50#s are made by MSD/Delphi :)

I have heard it said that the 42.5s have a superior spray pattern.

A reason some buy 50s is that to use 55s your ECM has to be modded.

HTH :)
 
I didnt go with the 42.5ers and went to the 50's because it seems people have had trouble whith 42.5 on tuning issues.
(maybe in the chip?) I dont know, but I thought it will be well worth it to spend the little extra money and not worry any...
They should be good for mid 10's which is good enough for me and MSD and Delphi are the same.

Racetronix: I paid $292 :)

HTH
Bo
 
If your street trim means 93 octane and no alcohol/water injection then you will need 50's at least and maybe a little bigger. That's how I run and I was way out of injector at 12.58/107 with red-stripes (base fp was 60+ psi), with poor 2.0 60's. Traction and a converter would have gotten me to low 12's, but if you compensate for the fp I needed 46-48 lb/hr injectors already. I went up from a TE34 to a PTE54 turbo, and 72's, and have run lots of 12.30's at 109-110 and a best of 12.18 at 110.5 with a 1.8 60' on a cool evening (at 4020+ lbs total :eek: ). Yes, the 72's are overkill for me - I'm only running about 80% duty cycle at 36 psi base fp but I wanted to play with making chips ;). The injector sizing charts, like the nice table that Joe Lubrant put together at gnttype.org, assume a bsfc of 0.5 which basically means lots of timing and lots of octane. For 93 octane and 18-20 degrees of advance a bsfc of 0.6 or even 0.65 is more realistic and will keep you from leaning out or buying injectors twice.

People like the 50's because they are well behaved and easy to make chips for, they are the biggest high impedance injectors that are available, and they are big enough in race gas/race chip trim to get you to low 11's/high 10's which is where most people stop trying to go faster on a stock block :D. They are made by Delphi and sold by msd and everyone else. If you add the $100-150 cost of modifying the ecm to the price of larger, low impedance injectors like the 55's or 72's, the total is not much different.

Pick an et target and a total racing weight with fuel and you in the car, and use the formula rwhp=197*weight/(et*et*et) to get an average rear wheel horsepower requirement. For example, 12.18 at 4020 lbs requires 438 rwhp. Now inflate this with whatever fudge factor you like to compensate for the "hp loss" of the automatic trans, say 20% or 438/0.8=548 flywheel hp. With a bsfc of 0.65 lb/hp-hr this means 548 hp * 0.65 lb/hp-hr = 356 lb/hr total, divided by 6 injectors = 59.4 lb/hr at 100% duty cycle. If the bsfc is 0.5 you only need 46 lb/hr injectors at 100% dc - see why I say you need at least 50's with pump gas? And, of course, you want some headroom so plan for a max of 85-90% duty cycle so that 59.4 becomes 66-70 and that 46 becomes 51-54 lb/hr. See http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19799 for more discussion on this, including the feeling by Joe that the extra 20% from trans losses doesn't really need to be included.
 
im wondering what the flow# is on the sides of some other 50's out there.

acording to the top number scribed in my by pte they only flowed 44.?#
 
ijames, how in heck does your car weigh over 2 tons???? i hope thats a full weight t-top gn with every option and you in it with a full tank of gas! i must say to avoid the 009's if you can spare the money cause i for one never had a smooth idle with them and always had a tip in stumble, changed to 50's and all is well.
 
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