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VADER

Little engine that could
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Hi, I am looking to possibly purchase a condo in my area. I signed the contract and looking for financing now. The condo is $150K for a lake view 1 bedroom of only 781 sq ft. Expensive in this area for its size. 1 bedrooms usually range from $110k to $125, but these are the nicest so far. They went on sale in January 2005 with 260 units for sale, and they are already half gone. I got the last 1 bedroom lake view.
Heres a link to their site:
www.bellezacondos.com
Just for reference, a 1600 sq ft 3 bedroom house is minimum $250K out here. Sounds good so far, but my concerns are of course, if it is rented will it cover most of the mtg, and will it appreciate even though it is small? The other condos of lower value get $800 mth rent. After working the financing, I will probably do a 5 or 7 yr arm interest only, and let it go after that time. This will result in a pymt of between $1000-$1100. Doing a regular 30 yr loan , brings it to $1250 or so. Interest pymt is $575 on the 5 yr, with a 2nd (20%) of $240 a month. This a 100% finance. The 7 yr is $660 interest but will require 5% down, and $92 month pmi. I would like to avoid pmi, and but as a residence, but I own rental property in the same area, and they dont like that. I would like to see if they will submit it, and see what happens. The 7 yr also will reduce closing costs ($6600 ) by $1000.
For both pymts, taxes will be $191 (not this year, but est for the following year. & Assoc fees of $151 mth. No haz ins needed.
I think the 5 yr is best since there is little outlay, and no pmi. I cant see this renting for more than $800-900 a month. So it will create a small monthly loss (negative cash flow), but hopefully the appreciation will beat that out.
BTW, further in town, a 3 bedroom single family home (1600 sq ft) can be had for $150K with lower taxes, and lower hoa dues, and rent for more $$ per month, and should appreciate pretty good also.
The condo has great location, and amenities, and they will be sold out in 2 months. There will be houses for years in town. I am not sure what to do on this one. Of course if I was loaded, I would just buy both. The sales people at the condos said that people from the north are buying several at a time, sight unseen for investment. I dont think they are lying on that. If I left anything out let me know, Thanks.
 
Vader, You can't go wrong with this. PV is a great location. Smaller sq. footage pulls more $ per sq. ft. Location is key.

Get a fixed interest only loan with a no pre-pay penalty(early payoff). A little negative cash flow is OK. As long as you keep it rented you take the appreciation. Just sell it before the capital gains tax goes up. It should stay at 15% at least until the next election.

The biggest pita for me is renting my properties out. My oceanfront condos rent for what most can purchase a home for. Screen your potential tenants carefully. They can cause you a lot of grief. Higher income renters will usually take care of your place.

Go for it. Its never to late to start..especially here in N. Fla. You'll be glad you did in a couple years. :cool:
 
I work for a large development company. We just built a condo building here in lauderdale. Median price was probably around $250-300k. they were sold out when the building was only 4 floors up (32 story building). About 50% have been resold at an average profit of $120k+. I'd buy it and look for a quick flip. Nothing like sticking $50-100k in your pocket in just a few months.
 
Thanks for the advice. It looks like they are offering only arm loans for interest only. I will look into that.

Jax beach condos on the ocean are pretty expensive. Some people would rather move inland and pay the same to buy, but its a different lifestyle. Im positive the same people cant afford to buy those on the ocean.

I agree with the negative cash flow in a fast appreciating area. Its like contributing to a savings account.

You ever take any vehicles to Gainesville? I will be heading there soon. My buddy brings his 04 Z06 all the time. I will install my powerstroke and head there again, I cant say it runs 11s til I actually do it.
 
I own some investment property. I would stay away from negative cash flow unless you are very sure it would change in a 2-5 year period. Looks like nice property. Also be aware that more than 3 homes will probably create tax issues and change you to an investor status you might want to check local laws too.
 
My problem with being hit with "dealer" status by the IRS is that their criteria are so vague! Some people buy and sell 10+ a year w/o that status being attached to all of their RE transactions. Others move 3 a year and get tagged with it right away!

I'll just buy and sell 'em anyway. Hope for the best, plan for the worst!
 
I would not be comfortable with that, IMO. Sure the beaches properties have balooned recently, but the in-town properties have inflated as well, just not quite as fast. My own home in town has almost doubled in value in the last 5 years. I have also found some outstanding flip properties in the past 2 years. With all the positive cash flow opportunities in town right now, I'd stay away from a negative flow myself. I'm not saying your deal is necessarily a loser, but more risky.
 
Have owned rental properties for 14 year now. I would not consider buying anything especially in this inflated market that would have a negative cash flow. I'd recommend buying a 2 bedroom unit. 3 BR would be even better. What happens when its empty for a month or two or three.......Problem with the rental market in my areas (bet it holds true everywhere) are interest rates are so low, that folks that would normally rent upscale units have or will just buy. This increasing the number of available rental units. Coupled with the fact that new college grads can't find jobs and when they do, they often live at home. Again, creating a increase of available units. Now, big complexes are hurting, so they lower the monthly rent to attract renters......you get the idea.

When I buy in complexes similar to the one your looking at, I buy and flip right away. Glad I have my real estate license. An extra 2% off from the developer when I buy and and extra 2-3% in my pocket when I sell. On a low end unit that costs $240k at presale prices just brought me $282k less expense of sale five weeks after I closed on it from the developer. Instant appreciatoin is usually seen (when I buy at presale prices)

Another thing to consider. You mentioned the agent told you that northerners are buying them two at a time for investment. That should set off a flag. That means they will be your rental competition too. Tenants generally don't take care of their homes / surroundings like an owner occupied resident that lives there would. Things to think about.

Don't expect appreciation like we have see over the past 4 - 5 years either

Joe
 
Oh, tell them you want 2% back at closing (normal broker share if a broker brought you in)

Joe
 
Every investment has a doom and gloom side.

Jacksonville is going off. We pulled off the Superbowl which gave us Worldwide recognition. The TPC, Amelia Island, St. Augustine, Water everywhere etc.

As stated in this thread even the Northerners realize this. S. Fla is all built up and is ideal for Retirement. Where there is Construction there is money. Jax has plenty of it.

You can't buy diddly at the beach for 150k. You are getting a Brand New Nice Condo.

A SMALL negative cash flow is negligible if your budget allows it. It takes money to make money.

If it doesn't work out..dump it in a year and still make change.

Its Tangible. Unlike the Stock Market where you can end up with Zero.
 
Originally posted by GNX Guy
Oh, tell them you want 2% back at closing (normal broker share if a broker brought you in)

Joe

Now there's a tip that's like FREE MONEY!

Thanks Joe! If you didn't know to ask that (I didn't) they're certainly not gonna offer it to you!
 
WOW!!! I am trying to get started into investing, and after reading all of yall's info I could learn a lot from you guys.

Joshua
 
Hi GNX Guy, I asked the broker about the 2% difference in commision. He was not sure if it was possible, since the contract was signed already. I dont have a copy of it, but I will tomorrow. Is it too late for this?

2% =$3K :)
 
Ah, so it seems he was aware of the 2%. That would be instant equity for you.

Owning my own business I know for a fact the answer could and should be yes, to make a customer happy. This will prove what kind of folks your dealing with. They will probably give you a line of crap that they are already giving you this and that. BS.

Joe
 
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