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Mark Hueffman - Owner
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What is the best way to go about doing this and what pitfalls are their to look for? Do I have to go thru the appraisal thing all over again, not to mention lawyers, points etc? Have a 30 year at 6.125%.
 
I refinanced my home 3 yrs into my mortgage and yes i had to go through the apprasial and lawyers. I went through my local bank. It was just like when i applied for my mortgage. Hope this provides some input for you, Good Luck!!!
 
Unless you find a no point no fee I would not bother. You have a good rate locked in. If you make 2 extra payments a year or add extra to each monthly payment you can slice your mortage down to 15-18 years.
 
We just refinanced on Friday. We have been in the house about 3 years. We stayed with the same mortgage company. No appraisals, lawyers, etc. Maybe it depends on where you live? I am in Texas.
 
Or, instead of making monthly payments, make a half-payment (or more if you wish) every 2 weeks.

Works magic! :)
 
Someone told me they just refinanced without ANY fees at all. Found that hard to believe. I've been paying extra each month so far and will try to keep doing that, just figured if I could cut it down even more by doing a refi I would if I didn't have to put too much out of pocket.
 
Mark, I'd be glad to help you off line with this...

Rules are different at different places but I'd think you could use your same appraisal for your new application, don't know why you would need a lawyer, and if you are sure you're gonna be in the house for a couple years if you can save a point or so in interest it will probably be worth it.

What I'd recommend is to check with your current finance company (bank), and ask them what rate they will give you, if you can use your recent appraisal, what your out of pocket expenses will be to refinance, etc. Once you know how much it will cost you and the new interest rate you can decide if you will live in the house long enough to recoup your up front expenses.

Be glad to help...I've done exactly what you are asking, and then refianced about 1.5 year later a second time.

Regardless of whether you refinance Krom's advice is excellent for us all...making an extra payment or even paying a smaller extra amount saves a boat load of money thru the life of the loan.
Can help here too.

There is a banker guy on this site...knows way more than me...I hope he chimes in too.

Bob Kolhouse (812-378-0926)
 
If you dealt with a mortgage company, they will sell off the loan to another investor. If you dealt with a local bank and they are keeping it in portfolio (kept at the bank, funded by their depositors funds as opposed to selling it off in the secondary market to another investor) it's worth asking one of the bank's loan officers (as opposed to a teller or clerk) if they would MODIFY their rate. A lot cheaper than a refinanceand easier to do! The funds, loan docs., title insurance and escrows are already in place and they are just drafting and recording a legal document to lower the interest already in place. Tell them it beats loosing a customer to one of their competitors! Also, don't expect to get as low a rate as the going market. Close enough is best considering the dollars and time that it saves you!
Good Luck:cool: :D ;)
 
Wasn't thru a local bank and in fact the mortgage was sold before I even made my first payment. It is now with Countrywide Home Loans.

Is there generally a penalty if you refinance within a certain period of time of acquiring a mortgage? I just got the house in January and plan on staying here until I croak! I'm 47 and it won't be paid off until I'm 77 if I make it that far.:(
 
Whoops, this should be in the lounge! Please move.

Guess I wasn't paying attention when I posted this! Sorry!:eek:
 
If you plan on staying there till you croak:
1) Hope croak date is way off in future
2) Assuming 1 is true then even a modest reduction in interest rate will be worth it.

What you need to do is contact your current loan company and see what their best deal is (a rate adjustment instead of refinancing was mentioned earlier and may be a good option), but also check a few other local lenders for their best deal.

Once you know what it will cost to refinance, and the new interest rate you can then determine if the savings are worth it.

Bob
 
Could you please send that to me also? I have a 30 @ 7% and want to get a lower rate. I would like to get a 15 or 20 year note if my payment will stay close to the $912 that it is now. I, too, plan on staying here for a long time but I want my house paid off ASAP. :) I have a lot of equity in my house if that makes any diff.
 
You just got into your house, so this would be a good time to do this. You know you'll be there for a while, you'll probably get a better appraised value this time so you could end up with lower PMI/mo this time around (unless you're on an FHA). If someone says they paid no closing costs, a few things could have happened:
1-They got a higher rate than they could have otherwise. The broker or lender made enough more off of the higher rate to pay the costs for them, or something like that.
2-They rolled the costs into the loan and don't realize that they still paid the fees, they just increased the loan amount rather than paying up front
3-If they stayed with the same lender, the lender may actually be making an offer for a streamlined refi of some sort to keep their acccounts. That's rare, but could be the situation.
Good advice to talk to your current lender.
Even banks sell off a lot of their loans. Most will only keep their 15 yr amort's. Some function the same as a broker and never keep their long term loans.
I know rates are better than when you locked in a few months ago. You might look into going to a 20 or 25 year amortization. ASK about a 25, or it won't get mentioned. Same for the 20. Most places do not offer a 20, others never think to mention it. I love 'em! Knock 10 years off, but it doesn't hurt as much as going to 15. Get the facts. Get an amortization on a new loan and compare to the one you got with your current loan. See just when the balances cross over and you start seeing true savings. It will take a while if you are rolling costs into the loan. The question here is "Which loan is going to make me more money when I sell the house in ____ years?" That's the bottom line, unless you are simply looking to create breathing room each month. You just bought your house, so I think this is the time to do something. Sooner the better, especially if you can alter your term. You've only been making payments for about 4-5 months, so you haven't lost much if you do go back on 30 years.

Do this as cheaply as possible to maximize the benefit. No points, no origination, unless it's at or under .25%. That can be recouped quickly, but paying a 1% fee will take a lot longer, unless the rate is a lot lower (.375% lower, might be worth it). Just get the payment figures, the total cost figures and see how long it takes to recoup.
A lot of people I deal with like the idea of just bringing to closing the equivalent of 1 month's payment. It's a middle ground. You'll skip 1 month, so apply that money here and reduce the money you need to roll into the loan.

Money saving tips:
1-Shop, shop, shop. Don't bother with online mortgages. They usually won't spell out the fees without an application, and then they dump a lot of BS fees on you.
2-Brokers have access to different lenders. No lender is the best all the time, so it's beneficial to have several tools in your toolchest.
3-Insist on using the same attorney as last time, and call them to make sure you get a "Reissue rate" on your title insurance. Title ins is one of your biggest fees. Normally it is $3 per 1000 borrowed. I.E. loan of 100,000 = $300 title insurance. Some are higher. A reissue rate will get you about 60% off of that fee. I always ask my clients who closed the last loan and go back there instead of trying to steer them to someone I know. If you didn't like that attorney, call them for a copy of your title insurance policy and find another attorney who writes with that same company. You can still get a reissue rate.
4-Tell the broker to submit the file to LP or the lender and find out if you can get away with a 2055 or 2070/2075 appraisal form. The usual appraisal is a 1004 which is typically $350. The 2055 is about $250, the 2070 or 2075 may be as little as $125. These $100 here and there add up.
5-Pay no points or origination. Watch the processing fee to make sure they don't charge a lot there, preferably nothing. That's just a padding fee, a good broker will drop that. I think your appraisal will be too old, IIRC (Chrstmas time, right?). They are good for 3 months, or 6 with a recertification (which costs about $100-200, usually). The date on yours may age it out. Only construction appraisals are good for a year, but still require a final inspection.
6-See if your current lender will subtract your escrow balance from your payoff. Most will mail you a check for that balance within 30 days, but some will take it off of the payoff. This is preferable. Then you don't have to worry about rolling in some of your costs, since it is netted out of the payoff already to bring you roughly even.
Anyone considering the bi-weekly, that's a great tool too. You can accomplish the same thing by simply making extra payments towards principle at the first of the month though. It should really boil down to what is easier for YOU based on your pay schedule and personal budget. Remember to deduct that payment every 2 weeks or it'll screw you up pretty quickly, since it'll likely be on automatic draft.

There's more, but I'll cut off there. I get wordy as it is. Let me know if you have any questions, glad to help.

HTH
 
I knew I could count on you Bill to lay it all out.:) Much appreciated! Will see what happens. At least I don't have a buyer and real estate agents to deal with this time around.

TurboDave, I realized the mistake of posting this in the Tech section and noted that in a post before yours. A thousand pardons!:D
 
I refinanced from a a 7.5% @30 to a 6% @ 15 ys 2 years ago. I called my broker last weekend , and now im locked in at a 4.875 @15 :) My mortgage is gonna drop a few bucks a month, but now is going for 15 years instead of the existing 13 I've got left. Thats where it gets confuseing, but after multiplying it all out, its a $26k saveings over the life of the loan.
Also, dont get extra cash back if you dont need it, thats where you'll really loose the saveings. He was pushing me to get some big coin back but i told him I dont want it, thats not why I called. I called him initially to find out about buying a forclosure 2 doors down from me, but thats another story.
 
Mark

We've refi'd twice in the last 4 months 'cause the rates keep dropping. Follow the advice and shop around. Drew
 
I am using Country Wide. I have had no problems with them. They have an office right downstairs to my work so for me it was easy to deal with them. Since you just got the morgage, see about them waving some of the fees if you got with them again.
 
I use Country wide also just refinanced after 6mo in the house.Locked in at 5.75% @15 yrsThe only out of pocket was the appraisal usually $250.Everything else was added into the new payment. Steve B
 
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