WHT87T, i have presently a 4.1 Stage GN. that runs 9.70 in street trim and also 86T type that is a mid 10 second car. PTE built me a stage 2 twin turbo race GN that runs mid 8's which i sold last year, so please don't tell me about these turbo cars. If you are ever in Toronto bring your buick and on the roll in first gear i have no doubt you will be seeing my rear lights. Out of the hold it's a different story because the buicks generally hook hard, on the roll torque makes a big difference.