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hwfstru

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I had my transmission rebuilt by a local tranny shop in my home town about six months ago and thats where my troubles started. I had the trans rebuilt with blue plate and high friction clutches, kevlar bands, 10 vein pump, hardened stator, art carr shift kit, trans brake, billet servo, 1-2 shift servo and all the hard parts. I got the tranny back in the car and took it for a test dirve and the thing wouldn't shift into any gear worth crap, the more throttle you give the car the softer it shifts. All the shifts are soft at anything over 1/4 throttle and they are anything but positive. I call the shop back and he tells me to adjust the TV cable and I do, with no help. Then he tells me to buy a new shift cable (mine was really ratty to begin with), no luck. He tells me that my motor may be torqueing to the passenger side pulling on the cable and patially closing the valve body, so I buy both poly motor mounts and the poly trans mount and it helps nothing. After all of this I take the car back to the shop and they take the trans apart again looking for any problems and find the 2nd gear clutches "glazed" so he replaces the clutches and the band and all the gaskets and o-rings and bolts it back up, didn't help anything. I just got back from picking the car up again from the same shop where they took it back out again and put my parts in a new transmission case because he believed that the old case may have had a hairline crack in it causing it to shift crappy with harder acceleration, that didn't help either. So you can see my frustration with this, I have spent the better part of six months trying to get my transmission to cooperate with the rest of my car and it is making me really angry. Help me please, I need it badly.

Thanks
 
How? Choice was made....:(

Help you how? What would you like us to do? You have spent your money, done the job, and now you are unhappy with what you have? Sounds like the only guy that can help you at this point with no more cost outlay, is your guy that did the job.
That is who you need to address.
I am sorry it was you , but maybe cases like this will teach some others what to do when it is time to invest in a trans.
Nothing I can say or do will assist you at this point other than, take it back.

Bruce
WE4
 
Brady, nothing personal with you, but I agree with Bruce. You see this time and time again on here, people decide to spend big $ on their tranny, usually after a little research on here, they get the info and take their trans to a local shop which says "sure we can do that" :D "no problem" ;) 'til ya pick it up and try and drive it :eek: then the problems begin :mad:

I'm not saying Bruce is the only one that can build one of these, but if you think about it "WHO" does everybody turn to (including the PRO's) THE LAST PERSON IN LINE THAT THEY ALL COME TO IS THE BT. for answers. Don't get me wrong I'm not venting on you this is a statment for all to hopefully learn from. They can be built by others, heck I did my own (with tech help and parts from PTS) and I'm no trans expert and mine is as solid as a rock.

Like Bruce said though, now what can he or we do for you except tell you where to take it and how much more $ you will have to spend to make it right. AND NOBODY is ever happy with hearing or having to do that after spending the $ in the first place?:D :eek: :confused:
 
Hey Bruce thanks for the insight, apparently you can't get any help from you if you don't spend $1500 on one of your transmissions. :mad: I hate that I have offended you in some way but all I wanted was some advise, you know not everyone has one of your transmissions. I was just hoping that someone may have had the same problem that I was haveing and may have been able to help me with mine, you know with some technical help in the transmission tech arena. Next time if you want to bash me for not buying one of your products either keep it too your self or try to actually give me some sort of assistance.
 
Brady, Brady, Brady, totally uncalled for! Bruce was and is not bashing you for not buying one of his trannies. He is simply telling you you made a choice to go with the parts and builder you went with and that was your choice and that is were the problem needs to be fixed. If they can't help you what can he do without it costing you more money, he knows nothing about your tranny and what was done internally such as seals leaking, clearances used. Although I can say you want his help now without even purchasing part one from him (like art carr shift kit, why not PTS?) he does more than his share of helping people out on here and now it sounds like your bashing him 'cuz you have a problem that he has ABSOULOUTELY nothing to do with.

Now, 'cuz I'm a nice guy, you want help? we need some info 'cuz nobody can give any help with the info you have provided so far. If you want some info we need something to go with like line pressure test results for starters? Did the builder take any pressures? my bet is they didn't. Also my guess is a pressure problem, rotor/slide too lose in pump body, or you need a better pr system which equals more money and someone to put it in so it void your warranty. :D
 
I visit this message board almost everyday. And i don't post here alot. Just read up on the tranny problems people have. Bruce does help alot of people. But i have to agree that they are one sided here alot. I've E-mailed Bruce a few times and never got a answer. But no big deal. One person not buying his products isn't going to break his company. There are alot of tranny rebuilders that know how to rebuild the 200r4's. I got mine rebuilt for less than $1000.00 here in Orlando. I'd put it up againest there $1800 trannies anyday. Maybe i was just lucky. This will be my last post. No great loss for either one of us.
 
Was it something I said?

Man I try hard to get to all, I really do. And I have helped more people that have never spent a dime. Name one other place on the net you can get as much as you do here free? Dalt, I have
replied to your emails. I think I am about as non biased as I could be given the positions I am put in. And , yes, I was not bashing the thread starter, just trying to make a point that you paid a guy to do the job, hold him accountable for that job. It is not a part failing as this can happen to anyone, but function is not correct. No one is going to donate time and money to something you donated time and money to by paying them. Get your moneys worth dammit! And if I tell you to try something and you go back to your builder with an attitude that you found something wrong, It may just hurt your chances of getting any help from them. Ever think about that?
This is hard enough as it is, please do not make it any harder..

Bruce
WE4
 
COME ON GUYS! we wouldn't even have this board if it wasn't for Bruce, you need to cut him a little slack. You talk about "bashing", "one sidedness" He gives more time and concern on here than anyone else, and this should be appreciated not taken for granite! :mad: He is a one man show at his buisiness and takes time out everyday of his busy day to help HERE FREE OF CHARGE and helps out wether or not you buy his stuff. No he's not the only one that can build a 2004r (maybe the best!) but there are others. His are proven thought, by time tested and unequaled customer service. You can try others and you may get lucky like "Dalt10" or you may end up like " hwfstru " either way it's UNFAIR to take it out on an innoscent by stander. :confused:
 
Look all I was looking for was someone who may have had the same problem that I am having now, not to get everyones undies in a bunch. I don't post very much and this is why, I see people get crusified for the smallest of things. I didn't directly seek the help of either Bruce or Mark but was only looking for anyone who may be able to shed some light on my problem. I didn't mean to get on anyone's bad side but I guess I have, at least two of you anyway. I just don't understand why it is that I was looking for help from anyone and because I didn't buy parts from a certain vendor that I am not allowed to ask for help in this tech forum. Did you used to be PMAC Bruce? I have never heard of PTS?
 
Originally posted by HOTTOGO
.... Now, 'cuz I'm a nice guy, you want help? we need some info 'cuz nobody can give any help with the info you have provided so far. If you want some info we need something to go with like line pressure test results for starters? Did the builder take any pressures? my bet is they didn't. Also my guess is a pressure problem, rotor/slide too lose in pump body, or you need a better pr system which equals more money and someone to put it in so it void your warranty. :D
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I would like to help and I'm not pissed at anybody. but need more info to be able to help. I think it's to bad that the rebuilder can't help you with it though.
 
Thanks Mark, what do you need to know. I don't know the line pressures yet but I can call tomorrow and get them. I know squat on trannys, I hate to sound like such a moron but I don't know anything about them. Let me know what kind of info you need and I will get it to you. Thanks for the effort.
 
Brady.....

You did not get anybody's undies in a twist. We were just being honest with you. We tend to come from the old school where I dont like to step on builders toes either. If a builder has a complaint made to them, who am I to say they are right or wrong at that point? I do not know all, the facts and what was up with that particular box. I have to watch the vendor end too or I get a call like, "Why did you tell him this was his problem, off that board? " from the vendor. See, I get tech calls from all other shops all day long , day in day out. Well , I do not want to upset them either. So we try to direct you to who you gave your money to so they can make right with no cost ( Money, time, or even effort) to you. Nobody here is mad at you. Nobody here has any disrespect for you in FACT Mark and I would like to solve your problem, but not at the expense of another builder. I am a very busy guy but try to get back or help everyone. That is part of my problem is I try to help EVERYONE and I am learning that I can't, ( Self inflicted problem I need to deal with) But I try. The fact that maybe Dalt10 got left out one time, allows him to make unreal claims and shadow all the good I guess. ( I thought that to be selfish myself) But, you have our attention, do as asked, and maybe we can get to the bottom of this. As for me being bias against only those who use our stuff, I say Bullshiit! And I got 5000 members here who will attest. As for you never hearing of us or me, ask the builders out there whos parts they use. That is why you havent heard of me on a retail level till recently. And even if they are not our parts, alot of the technical traits, theorys, and bands and/or clutches were designed by us.The new Alto band is a classic example.

BTW.....Only dumb question is the one you do not know the answer to and do not ask.

Dont feel at all uneasy, and lets get back to the situation at hand.
And I NEVER refuse help to anyone, my customer or not. Ask around.

And just for giggles, How much money have You (Mark) ever spent with PTS? ..... But... how much have you learned and applied? Hrmmm there is something to ponder......See,it is not the dough.

Bruce
WE4
 
Bruce, you did come across a little cranky in your initial response to hwfstru.:) Having come to know you (after many telephone conversations), I know you weren't ragging on Brady, just venting your frustration over transmission shops that don't know their limits.

I look at the time and effort that you put into the first thread on this board " ATTENTION!!!! NEW VERSION!! Strengthening The 2004r" and wonder how many other vendors would take the time and effort to post something like that.

You've been a tremendous asset to the Buick community and to me personally Bruce. Although you've never built a tranny for me you've many times been gracious enough to spend time on the phone with both my local builder and me diagnosing and fixing problems.

Hang in there, Brady, all of us TR owners have had some experience with frustration. If we ever meet over a beer, I'll tell you about my seven month (and $8,000) battle to find the source of false knock.

You'll get your problem fixed and I'm sure you can count on Bruce to help in any way he can, whether you buy parts from him or not.
 
Re: Brady.....

Originally posted by WE4
....... And just for giggles, How much money have You (Mark) ever spent with PTS? ..... But... how much have you learned and applied? Hrmmm there is something to ponder......See, it is not the dough.

Bruce
WE4
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Not that this is the issue, but I can count what I have purchased (adj. pin, sep. plate, chrome rings, servo seals, clutch plates, od piston) all of which adds up to squat $ wise and all of which was purchased solely from PTS in appreciation for outstanding help I recieved, not that I felt obligated and could have purchased them anywhere but because of my own feelings felt it was the right thing to do and by the way the easiest way to order them. But to answer your ? "..... But... how much have you learned and applied?" That part is invaluable and was given freely time and time again, not only on the board here, but via several phone conversations and e-mail. What I have learned and now appyling is worth far more than what I spent. And BTW just to add Bruce... it is greatly appreciated... Thanx!
 
thanks for all your help bruce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for all your help bruce,with your products and dedication to all us GN owners,learning every day;)
 
I have received wonderful help with questions answered from HOTTOGO, MeanBuicks and WE4. I have learned alot. But I have to agree that you might want to take the trans back to your builder, make your complaints and as he gives you answers or bull**** you can post them in the forum so others can give you more insite to strenthen your arguement or complaint. I would do like HOTTOGO mentioned and check the pressure OR! take it to the builder and have him check the pressure in all gears at zero throttle and full TV pull and if possible watch with him and take notes. If the pressure is low he will notice it with you, I used to help this guy repair cars and rebuild transmissions at his warhouse part time for a living when I was 17 and 18 and after a rebuild he (well we but I knew not better) would not check the pressure he would just test drive and if it all seems good then send it down the road with the owner, I'm sure other builders do the same, worse is some ghetto shops will just swap your trans for one that is on a shelf already rebuilt and if that happen to you then you might have a OG or some other 200-4R that is a smooth shifter and not a performance model. HAVE you looked under the car and checked the trans tag to see if you still have a GN 200-4R?
 
Now we are getting somewhere that we need to be. I just want to get my tranny right and run some 6.'s in the 1/8th. The plug to check the line pressure is on the passenger side, correct? Is it the only plug on that side? Is this something that I can do on my own or do I need to get a pro to do it? I can get a hydraulic hose built anytime, what kind of guage do you recommend? And yes it is still my BRF tranny. Thanks
 
Port is on DRIVERS side! If you have the pressure gage set up, it's real easy to check. It is the one near the front. the one in the back is fourth gear pressure. Any 0-350 psi hyd gage will work. Sorry I said it was on the passenger side, it was early!:rolleyes:
 
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