Difference between 87' T-type and 87' GN

[MSDGN]

Do you mean all those cars I saw in Vegas last weekend weren't Monte Carlos??

 

[buickfreak]

For now, the GN's are still pretty much worth a little bit more, but wait in a couple of years and you'll see the T's value go right up and surpass the GN easily.

Those 1547 Turbo and 1035 Regal Limited will be rare like hell to find

 

[1badTTA]

Does someone mean to tell me that the "grand nationals" weren't a special edition of the monte carlo SS's ???





Flame suit on


Just the men in white speaking up.

 

[Scott231]

Originally posted by forzfed
The way I look at it is if it had the T package and a Turbo it is a Turbo-T.

Well you have the right to call it a turtle also...but you would still be incorrect.

You can get a T-package with out a Turbo. And the WE4 is still listed under T-package. Sounds a little confusing. I spoke to Kirban about this and he said it is a Turbo-T. Any proof Scott231 that it isn't a Turbo-T?

Yep. Only a WE4 is a Turbo-T just like only a WE2 is a Grand National (both had the T package and both had the WO2 option), anything else in 87 was either a Turbo Regal with the T package or a Turbo Limited (or a GNX).

 

[forzfed]

Originally posted by Scott231
Well you have the right to call it a turtle also...but you would still be incorrect.

Proof!! I want proof! Just cause you said it, it must be right. For the most part I used to call mine a T. I have 3 facts and figure books, one says what you say and the other 2 don't. At least when I owned my T-Type, I knew it was a T-Type. All the same emblems that are on a so called Turbo-T are on mine. So you obviously can't go by that. The Limited actually say Limited on them.

What about insurance? Is the WE-4 registered under a different name than my car. I also have the original sales brochures and nothing is said in there.

The name is not hard written any where on my car or a so call Turbo-T is it? So how do you give it an exclusive name, because it has blacked out bumpers. That is in the code WE-4. The GrandNational has the emblems on it to proof it is a GrandNational, same with the Limited.

I'm not trying to start a flame war but no one seems to have hard proof of this. And I want the proof! That same book that exclusively calls a WE-4 a Turbo-T also later calls the cars T-Type.

They are all Turbo Regals no matter what options they have that I know for sure. As for the Turbo-T designation. Where does it say that besides a book. Does the car say it? And as for it being the fastest of the Turbo cars, I say Bull! I have one T which had no options except the WO-2 black out package and A/C. It had the radio delete. It is super light and compared to my other one will kill it any day of the week.

I just want to know who started the Turbo-T name and proof of it and proof to back it up. That is all! Have a good day Eh!

 

[xrunner123]

Funny. I showed my GN that I just got to my friend and he said "Why did you buy a Monte Carlo?"

So insulted..

 

[salvageV6]

Hey when someone asks, What type of car do you drive? I say T-Type car.

And it's an '87 WE4.

I would keep all the GN badging on a Grand National just so it won't be confused with an inferior product.

The Turbo-T stuff is ridiculous.

I'd call a 307 T car a T-type too, unless it said Regal on the side.

Just call them fast.

 

[GNICETRY]

Originally posted by Scott231
Wrong. In '87 you could get the "T" package or you could get a "Turbo-T" package which was the GN-lookalike. All Turbo-Ts were black with no badges and the aluminum finned wheels. The "T" package could be appended to any Regal or Limited (turbo or not) in any color offered that year.

Scott I was ready to jump down your throat when I had to go the garage and bust out the books.
Guide to 3.8 Turbo V-6 (The GN Facts and Figures Book 2) states that "the regular T-Type was no longer available as a complete package...a new option package called the "Turbo-T" was available and given "WE4" as the option name" (page 195). Page 214 states "Turbo T Package (WE4)" On page 218 it calls the rest "Regal and Regal Limited"
So according to this if you have a non-WE4 non-GN, non-Limited and it is turbo, you have a Regal
However you are wrong on one account. Page 214 also states that "Ordering the Regal with the Turbo T Package (WE4) gets you the 'dressed in black' look of the Grand National with subtle 'T' emblems on the front fenders."
WOW, you really do learn something new everyday. I could have sworn that all 1987 T/R's were Turbo-T's .

 

[GNICETRY]

Re: Hmmm...

Originally posted by QWIKTURBO
Then what should I call my car? It is an 87 T all black with black bumpers, window molding, etc. Just a Black T badge witha red T in it. I have always called it a Turbo-T. I was told they only made like 1547 T's in 1987 and only 250 or so came as mine did. Kind of a GN clone from the factory!

So what do I call it?

If the production date on you car is prior to mid Nov. of 1986 and the bumpers are origianly black you would have one HELL of a rare car. It would be a WE4 with the WO2 option. After mid-Nov. you couldn't order a WE4 with the WO2 option. Disclaimer=If all WE4's have chrome bumpers then I understand this to be true.

 

[charlloots]

Originally posted by Snorman
No difference.
S.

sure thers a difference its not a t type its a turbo t no t types in 87. the t is lighter has different wheels, interior.the t was rarer and faster due to its weight. the gn only came in black.just a few differences.
my we4 came with all black bumpers

 

[GNICETRY]

Originally posted by charlloots
sure thers a difference its not a t type its a turbo t no t types in 87. the t is lighter has different wheels, interior.the t was rarer and faster due to its weight. the gn only came in black.just a few differences.
my we4 came with all black bumpers

What is the production date of your car? Do you have the WO2 option?

 

[Scott231]

Originally posted by GNICETRY
<snip>So according to this if you have a non-WE4 non-GN, non-Limited and it is turbo, you have a Regal

You have a turbocharged Regal, i.e. a "Turbo Regal". which is different than a normally aspirated Regal.

However you are wrong on one account. Page 214 also states that "Ordering the Regal with the Turbo T Package (WE4) gets you the 'dressed in black' look of the Grand National with subtle 'T' emblems on the front fenders."

Uh, no I'm not. All WE2 and WE4 cars had the "T" package, however, when you ordered the WE2 package (Grand National) the "subtle T" badges were replaced with Molly's checkered flag emblem.

Proof? I've been arguing this same point for over 10 years now and learned the facts from having corresponding with turbo Buick owners since '88 - in person, on gnttype.org and in this forum. It's amazing what us gurus know sometimes....

 

[topfuel]

Re: Re: Hmmm...

Originally posted by GNICETRY
If the production date on you car is prior to mid Nov. of 1986 and the bumpers are origianly black you would have one HELL of a rare car. It would be a WE4 with the WO2 option. After mid-Nov. you couldn't order a WE4 with the WO2 option. Disclaimer=If all WE4's have chrome bumpers then I understand this to be true.

I just went and checked my trunk sticker and found I have
a WE4 with the WO2 option
One HELL of a rare car eh?
I should have left this one bone stock and in storage when
I bought it in 88
How rare is it?

 

[salvageV6]

I really don't think a WE2 GN has a T package.

Also on my window sticker for my WE4 it also says Regal.

They are all Regals.

Even in the sales literature it says Regal Grand National for the paragraph about them.

 

[BooBoo231cu]

In 87 if you had a Buick with a turbo it is called a Turbo "T." If you ordered the "T" package on a Regal "WO2 exrterior package" it was called a Regal "T." It is called a Regal "T" because unlike the Turbo "T," it has no turbo. A WE4 is a Turbo "T"! It is just a version of the Turbo "T." They couldn't make anymore Grand Nationals because of some technical crap(that I don't feel like explaining, Its all about numbers). That is when they had the WE4 that was produced half way through the model year. There are about 250 or so Black Turbo T's out there. You could't order a black Turbo T after a certain date because they were al WE4's now.