fastest ta-49 street trim car

[QUIP'6']

please explain why alky injection is not "street trim ",


poster didnt ask for a as shipped factory configuration car ,

i dont run race fuel at the track and then drain it and use 93 with two completely different tunes

i pump my 93 fuel from same pumps as everyone else and dont need to change a thing when i drive home and nothing else goes into my tank

and i did drive to and from the track on the same tires i ran with

i guess i should pull the 340 pump out and put the stocker back in the tank , put the 28# injectors back in , run a cmw/bbkj chip and put on them skinny 215 /65 radials to be your idea of "STEET TRIM"

you run 93 and street tires , ill even let you run a 60 turbo.. ill run a stock turbo on alky.... wanna guess who'll be looking at taillights (if you can still see that far ),

thats horse crap. street trim is no fiberglass body parts and stock heads and intake just want to know what is the fastest with just a ta 49 turbo through a stock motor. doesnt matter if its alky or race gas. i just want to know

 

[QUIP'6']

i meant that comment for turbodave. racegas or alky doesnt make it a race car its whats made to make it go not whats made to make it run. except nitrous which is a power adder. alky isnt a power adder its a fuel compensator. if you crank up your alky and run 15 psi it wont run. if you shoot a 150 hp shot at 15 psi HOLD ON.

 

[Razor]

Guess the MPH is the issue. To get the car to drop into the 10's will require over 120 or 95 in the 1/8 with a heavy duty 60 foot. If you can move the trap speed up.. then its easier. At 123 its a lot easier to drop into the 10's. Also the 49 will run out of steam past the 1/8 mile mark.. so shooting for like 98-100 in the 1/8 will more than likely be what it needs. The amount of heat from the little turbo will also be high.


Ed's car ran 11.3 on a stock turbo. But understand the "slicks, HIGH timing, weather(40's), and dead on nuts tuning" to get the number.

Steel wheels.. dont think so. That is a hinderence when your trying to get the very last .1 out of the combo. As are high miles, high leakdown, stock IC's, exhuast systems, weight, etc

11.6 is really moving well with a TA49 on a street car(meaning radials, ac, steel wheels, drive to track) How many 70+MM turbo cars wish they ran 11.6's

Want faster.. be creative and start pulling all the corks out of the system that hamper performance. Weight is number one.. whether its body or reciprocating.. like pulleys, wheels/tires, driveshaft, TQ converter, etc.

Doing great

 

[Razor]

Turn off the alky gentlemen and then you can truely say you're running street trim.
It's pretty well known fact that you can run alky push the motor as hard as running 112 or better race gas. Not a fair comparison to what I consider to be true street trim. Not at all.

Wanne compare #'s. Make your runs on straight 93 octane, no additives.
And while you're at it pull the sticky tires off, then let's compare #'s.

16 PSI on a stock motor and radials.. runs mid 13's. And not the scope of what is being asked by the poster of the thread.

Definitions of street trim vary from one individual to another. You can have your opinion, as I can have mine. Leave it at that. :redface:

My opinion of street trim is how I drive my car to and from work.. to and from the track. Whatever I decide to run in the fuel system.. is my option and doesnt affect the cars streetability to being "safe" as I deem it be. Fiberglass bumpers would be an example of not being "safe", nor are pizza slicer wheels, or slicks..

 

[Mr.Spool]

razor,as usual dead on about the 60,fred's low 11 runs were in the 1.48-1.49 range and still no 10's.when i spoke to him about it he said 10's were very hard.i was over 96mph at the 1/8 and still ended up a little shy of 120mph.knocking weight off sounds good but being street driven the fiberglass stuff is risky as is removing crash bars,lots of meatballs up here that leap first and look later.

 

[TurboDave]

thats horse crap. street trim is no fiberglass body parts and stock heads and intake just want to know what is the fastest with just a ta 49 turbo through a stock motor. doesnt matter if its alky or race gas. i just want to know

You didn't exactly make that clear in your original post. You said "street trim", so my interpretation of what street trim is apperetly is quite different than others.

 

[QUIP'6']

You didn't exactly make that clear in your original post. You said "street trim", so my interpretation of what street trim is apperetly is quite different than others.

sorry if i didnt clarify it well.

 

[QUIP'6']

Guess the MPH is the issue. To get the car to drop into the 10's will require over 120 or 95 in the 1/8 with a heavy duty 60 foot. If you can move the trap speed up.. then its easier. At 123 its a lot easier to drop into the 10's. Also the 49 will run out of steam past the 1/8 mile mark.. so shooting for like 98-100 in the 1/8 will more than likely be what it needs. The amount of heat from the little turbo will also be high.


Ed's car ran 11.3 on a stock turbo. But understand the "slicks, HIGH timing, weather(40's), and dead on nuts tuning" to get the number.

Steel wheels.. dont think so. That is a hinderence when your trying to get the very last .1 out of the combo. As are high miles, high leakdown, stock IC's, exhuast systems, weight, etc

11.6 is really moving well with a TA49 on a street car(meaning radials, ac, steel wheels, drive to track) How many 70+MM turbo cars wish they ran 11.6's

Want faster.. be creative and start pulling all the corks out of the system that hamper performance. Weight is number one.. whether its body or reciprocating.. like pulleys, wheels/tires, driveshaft, TQ converter, etc.

Doing great

thanks julio. i just wanted to compare times with what i was running at the present time. my next things on the list are weld prostars and front and rear bumper reinforcements and pulleys. should net 1.5 tenths to 2 tenths and try to get 60' in the 1.5's should net 1 tenth which will hopefully get me a 11.30 @ 118 and also i am getting a 24 row stock location intercoooler and this should gain me 1.5 tenths 2 mph netting 11.15 @ 120 and last but not least a great tune. goto get my o2's down they are 830 to 840's in first and second unless my car loves fuel. my motor has 500 miles on it and it is tight and quiet!!! is this a pipe dream julio?

 

[Razor]

thanks julio. i just wanted to compare times with what i was running at the present time. my next things on the list are weld prostars and front and rear bumper reinforcements and pulleys. should net 1.5 tenths to 2 tenths and try to get 60' in the 1.5's should net 1 tenth which will hopefully get me a 11.30 @ 118 and also i am getting a 24 row stock location intercoooler and this should gain me 1.5 tenths 2 mph netting 11.15 @ 120 and last but not least a great tune. goto get my o2's down they are 830 to 840's in first and second unless my car loves fuel. my motor has 500 miles on it and it is tight and quiet!!! is this a pipe dream julio?

Thinking that mods drop et's can be a pipe dream on these cars.

Where's Grumpy

 

[Sweet6]

If I remember right red did run 10.90 with a ta49 but he had cam and some more stuff done.You could probally find that in a gsxtra magazine somewhere.

I read he used an .85 exhaust housing on it too.

 

[Mr.Spool]

i lost both mph and et with the .85 housing.maybe an 9inch nonlocker could do it but my protorque 3200 could not,and no mph gains even on the big end.even the garret .63 mph better than the 85 pte.that 123+mph tinman run is a shocker to me and to hear it's on a .85 housing is even more shocking.i haven't run 30psi but pacecarta was up to 30psi at 11.45 117mph.my own mph at 119.48 is well over 3700lbs,i would have to really strip down to grab 4mph.well should get interesting with a few 49 owners attempting to run well past the mid 11sec range.

 

[Razor]

Joe Mooneys car with a 3255 ran 123 last year. He was running very low 11's on drag radials. Yes not a TA49.. but very close turbo.

At 3700 lbs.. its an uphill battle.

 

[QUIP'6']

Thinking that mods drop et's can be a pipe dream on these cars.

Where's Grumpy

then what would be your suggestions on my goal

 

[turbo6mike]

I would say 11.10-11.30,I dont know forsure Im still trying it myself.

 

[brian]

i lost both mph and et with the .85 housing.maybe an 9inch nonlocker could do it but my protorque 3200 could not,and no mph gains even on the big end.even the garret .63 mph better than the 85 pte.that 123+mph tinman run is a shocker to me and to hear it's on a .85 housing is even more shocking.i haven't run 30psi but pacecarta was up to 30psi at 11.45 117mph.my own mph at 119.48 is well over 3700lbs,i would have to really strip down to grab 4mph.well should get interesting with a few 49 owners attempting to run well past the mid 11sec range.

I think they were mentioning Red using the 85 housing. The 85 in this application would probably slow you down.

Al`s run was with a PTE 63 housing I believe. Al is an incredibly maticulous tuner, so his numbers are no suprise here. His 60`s are in the bottom 1.5 to high 1.4 range.
Also, his best run with the 49, his mph was 123.85!!! It was under 30 psi, but not much. 98.x in the 1/8th.
I will give Al the heads up, and have him share more info here.

It is all in the tune up, boost level, and 60 ft. (that`s all!)

 

[Mr.Spool]

brian,that makes more sense to me.any idea of the weight of al's car?slicks or drag radials?98mph at the 1/8 is incredible on a 49,thanks for any info on those runs.looking to step it up without blowing it up,i also run the pte.63.razor thinks i need to loose some weight and he's right!i feel a little more comfortabe with that then going for more boost.

 

[QUIP'6']

brian,that makes more sense to me.any idea of the weight of al's car?slicks or drag radials?98mph at the 1/8 is incredible on a 49,thanks for any info on those runs.looking to step it up without blowing it up,i also run the pte.63.razor thinks i need to loose some weight and he's right!i feel a little more comfortabe with that then going for more boost.

does he mean us or the car:biggrin: i did put on 12 pounds over the winter. this is what i want to know a comparison of the fastest 49 car. slicks or drags radials, aluminum wheels? no fiberglass parts?

 

[Mr.Spool]

i don't think he cared or maybe he did which is why he didn't elaborate:biggrin:

 

[6GUN]

10 Second Ta-49

Hey Brian, thanks for the heads-up!

Guess the little TA-49 is still a popular street turbo!

The article which appeared on my GN in the GSX-TRA was in the May/June 2005 issue. It pretty much explains all the mods I had done to my GN.......Factory Stock, un-opened longblock, unported stock heads,(fresh stock valve springs)
stock cam, Houston downpipe, Hemco upper plenum with Hemco ported stock throttle body, De Quick V-2 frt. mount i/cooler, Limit Eng. off the shelf TA-49 turbo with a pte .63 exh housing, Stock ECM & MAF sensor thru a "Tin Man Performance" Products Cold-air intake kit.
Runs were on C-16 fuel, Hoosier 15x10 slicks & M/T front runners all on Weld alum. wheels. Also removed front sway bar and frt.bumper shocks( replaced with alum. supports).Rear suspension had QA-1 shocks, ATR sway bar, stock boxed up & lower control arms w/ poly bushings, 1 air bag(pass. side) and a "Tin Man Performance" Products-"Rear Body Brace"( 84-87 Buick Regal-similar to the "GNX" rear brace).
The car is a true street car and is street driven regularly. With the stock wheels you'd think it is a bone stocker.There were NO fiberglass parts on the car. Car wt. w/me in it that day was 3525#.

Currently the car weighs about 3600#( forced to add roll bar).Also added TA-62 turbo, RJC boost control valve, Translator+ & 3.5 " MAF....Best run is 10.80@123.5.
Oh Ya, last year I also made one of the best improvements ever to my GN. I decided to try a "Brian's Performance" tranny. ...That thing flat-out ROCK's !! Great street manners and Killer strip performance!......Thanks, Brian !

Here are the #'s on the 10 second TA-49 passes -May 2005 @ Norwalk Raceway ( Buick Race Weekend)

RUN #1 #2 #3
60ft - 1.559 1.505 1.519
1/8mi- 97.47 98.26 98.47
1/4mi- 122.79 123.02 123.85
1/8et 7.031 6.974 6.972
1/4et 11.026 10.956 10.935

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Al "TinMan"
TinMan Performance Products

 

[QUIP'6']

Hey Brian, thanks for the heads-up!

Guess the little TA-49 is still a popular street turbo!

The article which appeared on my GN in the GSX-TRA was in the May/June 2005 issue. It pretty much explains all the mods I had done to my GN.......Factory Stock, un-opened longblock, unported stock heads,(fresh stock valve springs)
stock cam, Houston downpipe, Hemco upper plenum with Hemco ported stock throttle body, De Quick V-2 frt. mount i/cooler, Limit Eng. off the shelf TA-49 turbo with a pte .63 exh housing, Stock ECM & MAF sensor thru a "Tin Man Performance" Products Cold-air intake kit.
Runs were on C-16 fuel, Hoosier 15x10 slicks & M/T front runners all on Weld alum. wheels. Also removed front sway bar and frt.bumper shocks( replaced with alum. supports).Rear suspension had QA-1 shocks, ATR sway bar, stock boxed up & lower control arms w/ poly bushings, 1 air bag(pass. side) and a "Tin Man Performance" Products-"Rear Body Brace"( 84-87 Buick Regal-similar to the "GNX" rear brace).
The car is a true street car and is street driven regularly. With the stock wheels you'd think it is a bone stocker.There were NO fiberglass parts on the car. Car wt. w/me in it that day was 3525#.

Currently the car weighs about 3600#( forced to add roll bar).Also added TA-62 turbo, RJC boost control valve, Translator+ & 3.5 " MAF....Best run is 10.80@123.5.
Oh Ya, last year I also made one of the best improvements ever to my GN. I decided to try a "Brian's Performance" tranny. ...That thing flat-out ROCK's !! Great street manners and Killer strip performance!......Thanks, Brian !

Here are the #'s on the 10 second TA-49 passes -May 2005 @ Norwalk Raceway ( Buick Race Weekend)

RUN #1 #2 #3
60ft - 1.559 1.505 1.519
1/8mi- 97.47 98.26 98.47
1/4mi- 122.79 123.02 123.85
1/8et 7.031 6.974 6.972
1/4et 11.026 10.956 10.935

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Al "TinMan"
TinMan Performance Products

thanks al for the clarification on setup i hope i can come close