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Grainger valve for the Turbo Buick?

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Realspool

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Does any one have a Grainger valve installed on their car.I have heard that this valve actually makes the Buick turbo V6 feel like a V8.I don't know how this valve works nor do I know where it is installed.Can any one tell me if a grainger valve is worth it, and does it actually make the car feel like it has a Big V8 in it:confused:
 
This valve has a ball that is held down on a seat by a spring.Other then that I don't know to much about this valve???:cool:
 
i installed one the other day. i dont know if the one you have is good or bad, but the one i installed made by a member on this board kicks ass.


i get super quick spoolup and rock steady controle.

trust me, if you put one on, you will be amazed. i couldnt belive how much such a tiny part changed the way my car accelerated.
 
I never put one in my car.I am trying to learn about what this granger valve does.Apparently from your expierence it was well worth it.Did it make the car feel like a V8?? I was told thats one of the positive affects when having this granger valve installed.Im glad you like it.My car does not spool well but, its not tuned up plus i have exhaust leaks.How much does a Granger valve costs?And who sells it?
 
I would love to know the person on this board that helped (Spoolmeup87)supply the granger valve that spools the turbo really quick:confused:
 
I would recommend getting the exhaust leaks fixed first. then decide if you want grainger valve. I have 4 extra grainger style valves. they are very easy to make.Did you read my explaination in your other thread?
 
Yeah Pat i read your posting.The exhaust leak is because i used a copper gasket and Im quite sure thats where its leaking.The turbo I had on before it didn't have a gasket and for 5 years no leaks.I have a TE-44 now but before the leak started it did not spool up as quick as i thought it would thats why I inquired about the granger valve.i have heard alot of good things about this little part that helps with spooling the turbo.I do have a D5 modified 3000 stall converter so i can rule out the converter.You said you had 4 different kinds on granger valves.I would be interested in one any way.What's the price on one of your granger valve's???:D Ray
 
Realspool - not sure what you mean by "feel like a V8" but please quit saying that...you make our cars sound slow :D

To understand how the Grainger (poppet) valve works, you have to understand how our waste gate system works.

The waste gate is simply an air diaphram contolled "door". When the actuator opens the door, exhaust gas by passes the exhaust turbine on the turbo. This in turn keeps the turbine from spinning any faster. The faster it spins, the more boost is created. Get it?

OK - now, Not only how much but, WHEN the door (waste gate) opens is important...the grainger valve can control the WHEN.
Look at it this way -
How much it opens = how much boost
Grainger valve = WHEN it starts to open (quicker spool).

The wastegate actuator is simply a spring tensioned rod setup. when pressurized air is fed into it, the air diaphram will overcome the strenth of the spring and the door will start opening (rod will start moving). This starts to happen at a relativly low pressure (under 5lbs) Then the door will creep open more and more as pressure goes up to your set point. It's the initial low pressure opening that needs to be delayed...this will increase spool because exhaust gas is not being leaked off as early...
Insert a Grainger (poppet) valve and you can delay that initial pressure opening point.

A Grainger valve will not allow pressure to go through it until a specified pressure. It actually works on the same theory as our wastegate actuator. There's a diaphram inside with spring tension. When the air pressure over comes the strength of the spring, it opens and allows the air through. The advantage to this is the wastegate door will be held tightly closed instead of slowly creeping open until your setpoint...this will help with quicker spool.
 
Thanks Zam70.When you mean actuator does this mean the actuator near the turbo.I have a racegate in the middle of the crossover pipe so I don't have that swivel rod type turbo.I was thinking could a granger valve be installed in my set up as well.My turbo does not have the actuator near the turbo.Just a 3 inch down pipe.I wish i had bought a Terry Houston downpipe because i have heard that having a racegate hurts spooling.Can i use the granger valve with this set up:confused: Ray
 
I think i just got to see if my header is cracked first before doing anything else.Granger valve now is probably one of the last things i will get for my car.:)
 
RealSpool, I would be the man behind Spoolmeup87's boost controller. Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.

email: dcc@japan.com



-DC
 
I don't have any cracks in my stock header so I can start putting the stuff back together.Does anybody know if I could use a Grainger valve with my set up.I have a racegate underneath the car near the middle of the crossover pipe nearest to the drivers side.Can a Grainger valve be installed with my set up:confused:
 
Can anyone tell me if i get use a grainger valve.I have a racegate near the middle of the crosspipe closer to the driver's side.Can i use a Grainger valve with a racegate :confused:
 
Originally posted by Realspool
Can anyone tell me if i get use a grainger valve.I have a racegate near the middle of the crosspipe closer to the driver's side.Can i use a Grainger valve with a racegate :confused:

Yes I am using one with my Deltagate. Just mount as close as you can to your gate to limit the amount of vaccumn hose you have to use.

Sinful6 can clue you in on the rest. HTH :)
 
Yeah BSDLinux that helps me understand a little of where the granger valve is but not exactly.Both of my ports have metal tubing that are at least a foot long then my vacuum lines.This helps me narrow down on how close to install the valve on the racegate.:)
 
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