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SloGN

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Has anyone ever adjusted the injector opening retard settings in the fast xfi?

Is the natural default set @ 20 degrees or is that buick sfi specs? I have changed mine up to 25 degrees and @ slower engine speeds it seems to respond crisper and the VE #'s went down a tad on auto learn.

Does anyone know what the stock ecm/chip has the injector timing set @ or is it based on the cam sensor being set at 25 degrees before TDC on #1.

Or is there a RPM based scaler that changes the injector timing based on engine speed.

maybe the chip guru's can respond too!
 
The default from FAST is 0 degrees. I adjust the value based upon the injector size/duty cycle I think the car will have
 
Here are the instructions from FAST

6.2.7 Injector Opening Retard (*)

You should not have to change this parameter with most popular engine applications. Always set to 0 (*) to start.

This parameter is used to adjust injector phasing – the relationship between injector opening point and the engine’s position in its cycle. Injector phasing is similar in concept to ignition timing – except instead of referring to when a spark occurs, it refers to when an injector opens.

When the ECU receives the crank input for a cylinder, it will wait for this user-programmed amount of crank rotation to occur before that cylinder’s injector opens. For example, if the crank reference angle is 50* BTDC and the Injector Opening Retard (*) is set to 10, the injector will open at 40* BTDC.

(Note: The crank reference angle is given in * BTDC on the compression stroke. The injector opening is given in * BTDC on the exhaust stroke. The 360* offset – to get from compression to exhaust – is hard wired into the injector harness.)

This parameter can be set from 0–700* of crank rotation. Using a large enough number has the effect of opening the injector ahead of the crank input. For example, OEM ignition systems (like the GM HEI) typically have crank reference angles around 6* BTDC. In this case, an Injector Opening Retard (*) setting of 686* would give the same 40* BTDC injector opening position as in the first example. Keep in mind that an engine cycle takes 720* to complete.

The Injector Opening Retard (*) can be calculated with the following equations. One is used for injector opening after the crank input and a second is used for injector opening before the crank input.

To open injector AFTER the crank input
Injector Opening Retard (*) = Crank Ref Angle – desired inj. phasing.
From the first example = 50* - 40* = 10*
To open injector BEFORE the crank input
Injector Opening Retard (*) = Crank Ref Angle – desired inj. phasing + 720*.
From the second example = 6* - 40* + 720* = 686*

The Injector Opening Retard (*) parameter only affects when the injector opens. The amount of time it remains open is based on the pulse width calculated by the ECU. In other words, changing this parameter does not affect the amount of fuel that is injected.

The optimal injector phasing is a function of the intake flow characteristics of the engine. This parameter can be adjusted while on a dynamometer to determine its effect on a particular engine. This is a fine-tuning detail that can be explored once a good basic tune has been established. If you are not sure what injector phasing you want to use, set the Injector Opening Retard (*) to 0 to start.

Note - When running in Bank-to-Bank mode, each injector opens more than once per engine cycle. So injector phasing (in the traditional sense) cannot be controlled. In Bank-to-Bank mode, Injector Opening Retard (*) should be left at 0.

The Buick crank reference angle is only 10 degrees BTDC in the compression stroke, so putting in 20 degrees in the "Injector Opening Retard" box would result in the injector opening at 370 degrees in the crank cycle, and putting 0 degrees would result in the injector opening at 350 degrees in the crank cycle.

The cycles are using crankshaft rotation in degrees:
Beginning . . .End . . Stroke
0 (or TDC) . . 180 . . .Power
180. . . . . . . 360 . . .Exhaust
360 (TDC) . . 540 . . .Intake (the injectors hard wired to squirt here)
540. . . . . . . 720 . . .Compression

With large injectors to get a better idle 20 degrees may be appropriate as there is more air flow in that part of the cycle, than when the piston starts to move downward from the top. If you are running over 25% duty cycle the opening time for the cycle probably does not matter much, as the valve is open and air flowing in that runner only 25% of the time.

Does this make any sense, or am I putting in too much effort to understand this ?
 
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