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MAF Pegged at 255...What Do I Do Now?

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Not sure where this question belongs and not sure I really have a problem. Ran car at local strip with stock turbo, stock injectors, stock MAF, 3" inlet piping, ATR 3" dp, ATR dual 3" exhaust, 307 pump, etc. Pegged MAF at 255. Now I have a 62 turbo and 50# injectors. Will I be lean since computer will not add fuel once MAF hits 255? I know I need a new chip. Thinking about a LS1 3.5" MAF and associated 4" piping to match the turbo. Can the chip fix the MAF problem? Help!
Conrad Carter

Jack says to go to a FAST system but I don't have $2k laying around!
 
naw, you 're done unless you get a FAST

did Jack "really" tell you that?!

OMFG........
 
Woody,
What are you saying? Get a FAST or what?
Conrad
 
your fine, my mafs hit 255 almost instantly, there are a lot of other variables that control WOT fueling in the chip, your just fine.
 
well, I guess I was being a bit cynical, so I apologize

any chip worth its salt cares less what the maf is reading at wot (assuming a stock maf that won't read beyond 255)

fuel tables are derived above that level based on experience, your build, etc

so, no, you definitely do not need a FAST to go fast.....there are many excellent chips out there that can deal with a pegged air meter

I am sure you can get many recommendations here.....I personally use the MaxEffort
 
Originally posted by azgn

any chip worth its salt cares less what the maf is reading at wot (assuming a stock maf that won't read beyond 255)

fuel tables are derived above that level based on experience, your build, etc

The only chip that doesn't care about the MAF reading is the MAFless ME. While there is little change at the very top end of the MAF readings fuel wise, the gm/sec is used.

What people do is figure a fuel curve, based on what makes the engine run best, at WOT. In reveiwing alot of DS datalogs you'll note odd commanded WOT AFRs. Some are set just to run the injectors static, and some are AFRs that are for air flows higher then the ecm can calculate.

Just by example, and picking numbers easy to use.

Say you see a data log with 36 PPH injectors and a commanded AFR of 6.5:1. Obviously the engine wouldn't make max power at that AFR. If you look at the PW graph of a DS for that combo, you'll see the duty cycle is 100%. So if you were to do the calcs using a reasonable AFR you could figure out what the actual gm/sec were. And a rough estimate would be like 300 gm/sec.

Now, say you look at a data log for 72s. Now you see a commanded AFR of say 9.5:1 and a DC of 80%. Now in this case the engine is say flowing 400 gm.sec and being fueled at 12:1 actual AFR.

Now, in the first case you tune by twisting the wastegate, since there is no actual fuel curve, since the injectors are just static.

In the second case you can taylor the fuel to actually develope a curve and match what the engine needs at some RPM points.

But, neither are actually reading over 255, and run *too* rich up until the air flow matches what the injectors are doing.

The exception being the translators where they can read over 255, and the MAFless MEs since they don't use the MAF.

To actually match the fuel at a number of points thru the rpm/ load points does take an aftermarket or rewritting the code for the original ecm.

Jackson's gone an 9.6 with a stock ecm using a MAFless ME so the stock computer can run well on fast cars.

Just an matter of what options you want to take.

To get past static injectors is gonna take some money. Just a matter of seeing what your thinks most cost effective for you.
 
Is there any reason for me to be looking at a bigger MAF? I'm wanting to run in the 11's.
Conrad
 
no.....the folks that make chips for our cars have it down.....as Bruce mentioned

if you want specific recommendations...........it all depends

for 11's, any of the generic chips will work...some maybe not so elegantly, but they work
 
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