My 17 year old Sons Weight lifting coach is recommending this?

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I am not the smartest guy in the world, but when I read up on this I was kind of surprised a High School Weight lifting coach would recommend this to High School age boys. Mind you we live in rural Kansas and have several football state championships and the coach is also our weight training guy.

He has always just promoted ready to drink Protein Shakes, Healthy Diet with lots of chicken, red meat, etc.

But what do you lifters think of this? I do not think this is a product the young men should be doing.

Bison, Coach, thoughts.

http://store.blackstonelabs.co/alpha-1-max

http://store.blackstonelabs.co/epi-smash
 
I wouldn't let my 16yr old son use it!
He is doing just fine "All Natural"..... "Coach" here has him on a work out program and food program which seems to be working quite well.. All he is taking is a protein shake (Mega Whey from the protein factory)...

Since this picture we have been working quite a bit on legs which he neglected before.

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Here are the warnings off that product:
"This product should only be used by healthy adults at least 21 years old. Do not exceed the recommended dose or duration of 4 weeks. Do not use if you are at risk of, or being treated for diabetes, liver problems or high blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol while using this product, and increase daily water intake. This product can negatively affect male fertility. Always Consult your health care professional before using any dietary supplements."

My son pictured above was taking Creatine and didn't take enough water once and fainted in the kitchen at his buddies house one night and woke up on the kitchen floor, Scared the shit out of us so no more creatine for him and he seems to be doing just fine without it... The scary part is that these are just kids and they are very active in their every day life hanging out with other friends and it's easy to forget to drink enough water and that can cause some serious problems....
 
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Yeah that is a pro hormone, I would stay clear away from that in general let alone give that to a 17 year old. Here is the segment of that label that gets me : ALPHA-1 MAX™ by BLACKSTONE LABS has been designed for experienced users of anabolic steroids and cycle duration should NOT exceed four weeks."
Btw I am on a full athletic scholarship and ive seen kids wreck their future with stuff like that. There is no substitute for hard work

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my personal opinion is if still in hs it should be all natural. not even protein shakes etc. why put more strain on your sons developing body that needs to be. i think a great eating program and workout program would be good for now. if that was me no shakes what so ever.
 
Not only what is placed on a label - which virtually means nothing due to the very slight government oversight - but it's what they aren't telling you that I would be worried about.
There have been so many bona-fide reports lately of supplement companies adding strange or harmful ingredients, sourcing from - China - Mexico etc
I wouldn't touch stuff that I didn't have a lab analysis of.
For a kid - eating properly with appropriate nutrition levels, and working out is enough.
These high school coaches seem to have big aspirations of O lympics or Pro something.

And the interesting point is - if a kid brings an aspirin to school - he gets reprimanded or suspended
But somehow it is ok for a sports coach to flagrantly recommend them taking semi-unknown substances without consulting parents.
I'd be in his face.
 
Lots or water, fruits, vegetables, pasta and meats. I don't see a need for extra "better living through chemistry".
When I was in high school, there were a bunch of people jacked up on steroids. This was the early-mid eighties. Not a good idea then, not a good idea now in my opinion.
Your results my vary.

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There is no way I would ever recommend any such thing to a high school student. 99% of those supplements are garbage. I have trained over a 1000 serious high school athletes and now train College athletes. I always start every diet with real food first. Shakes are only advised if real food is not available before or after an intense workout. There is nothing wrong with a basic Whey protein. It's just milk powder. The protein that ScotW's son is on has some base level BCAA's added to it. Basic egg protein is a substitute for a lactose intolerant person. Shakes are supplements...they are not meant to replace meals. You still need a carb and fat source to accompany the shake. I usually add natural PB to be taken with the shake. Rice cakes work well for after the workout as a quickly digested carb source.
Your son should be on a multi vitamin, and an engineered diet according to his weight and activity level. The main problem I have experienced with high school lifters is they want to get big, but they either don't eat enough or they think they are lifting heavy but are not even close. It's tough to deal with kids this age. If I did not look the way I do, and have several Pros that lift at my college...they probably would not listen. Since they see my Pro clients, in person, they listen a little better.
I wish I had time to help everybody who asked, but that's not reality.
I would go to this coach and ask to see his degree in nutrition and supplements, and then as to see his research into the items he recommended to these boys.

Thanks and good luck
Coach
 
hello people; I kind of put weightlifting and body building togeather and when I saw weightlifting I tought of the new Geico commercial w/the body builder that's out there. Find it I thought it was funny.
IBBY
 
You guys just re-iterated my thought 100%. He loves to work out, and is an athletically gifted kid. We do eat right, maybe not as Coach's clients do but we eat very well.
All he has been using for supplements is a multi vitamin, and Protein Shakes and powders from GNC.

Scot your son looks very nice for a young man, Zach looks to appear to be just about a carbon copy of him at this point. I want to keep him on the right path regardless of what his coachs are telling them.

Coach if I hired you, or bought a workout routine, that you would recommend for something like Scots son is that a possibility?

Many Thanks,

Ty
 
JOHNDEEREGN said:
You guys just re-iterated my thought 100%. He loves to work out, and is an athletically gifted kid. We do eat right, maybe not as Coach's clients do but we eat very well.
All he has been using for supplements is a multi vitamin, and Protein Shakes and powders from GNC.

Scot your son looks very nice for a young man, Zach looks to appear to be just about a carbon copy of him at this point. I want to keep him on the right path regardless of what his coachs are telling them.

Coach if I hired you, or bought a workout routine, that you would recommend for something like Scots son is that a possibility?

Many Thanks,

Ty
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you live in kcmo?
 
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Lots or water, fruits, vegetables, pasta and meats. I don't see a need for extra "better living through chemistry".
When I was in high school, there were a bunch of people jacked up on steroids. This was the early-mid eighties. Not a good idea then, not a good idea now in my opinion.
Your results my vary.

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Now wait just a minute there - "You must respect the chemistry" :D
 
JOHNDEEREGN said:
You guys just re-iterated my thought 100%. He loves to work out, and is an athletically gifted kid. We do eat right, maybe not as Coach's clients do but we eat very well.
All he has been using for supplements is a multi vitamin, and Protein Shakes and powders from GNC.

Scot your son looks very nice for a young man, Zach looks to appear to be just about a carbon copy of him at this point. I want to keep him on the right path regardless of what his coachs are telling them.

Coach if I hired you, or bought a workout routine, that you would recommend for something like Scots son is that a possibility?

Many Thanks,

Ty
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Check out the CNN (meh) story today on the multi vitamins
Although - it is the internet and we all know it is 100% fact.
 
Ty,
I'm nobody special. There are many superb trainers all over. You can find one in your area and meet face to face. Find a trainer that only works with all natural body builders and start there for the diet and supplements. Most, like myself, should only approach the supplements ( shakes) as fillers in the daily diet requirements. I usually start a young man...15 years old or older...on about 7 meals a day, or a meal about every 2.5 hours. It becomes very difficult for a high school student to eat that many meals because of school. That is where a shake or bar comes into play. If you have trouble...then contact me. For me to do it online or phone, requires a lot of time and information.
For future reference...if your son ever wants to take a supplement, read the label. If it states..."Not legal for use by NCAA, NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, or Olympic trials or training."
If it does not have a declaration on the label...it's not that serious. It's true that 95% of the marketed supplements are NOT FDA approved, but the companies are not going to leave themselves open to lawsuits either...so the amounts of active ingredients are very small.
Always research before purchase.

Thanks and good luck.
 
That supplement is he recommended is junk, a pro hormone. Pro-hormones do worse to the body than regular steroids. Tell him to eat right and he'll be fine. Ever read the ingredients in the supplements, you can't even pronounce some of the chemicals and you want to ingest them. Stick with regular food......eggs, chicken, meat, fish, vegetables, sweet potatoes, etc, etc, etc. Unless you make the shake yourself using natural ingredients, all those protein shakes are garbage and full of chemicals.

In my 20+ years of powerlifting, I learned a thing or two. I lifted heavy and my weight went up 265lb. area. Now I dropped down to the 205 area and feel great. Ask the guys that saw me recently how I look. Take my advice, there is alot of wear and tear on the body lifting heavy. I still workout but cut back drastically on the weights.

As long as your son is fit, it'll be alot easier on him health wise and clothes wise. I had to buy XXL to XXXL to get my shoulder girdle to fit in the shirts and the rest of the shirt was like a nightgown. Couldn't find a regular pair of jeans to fit me because my legs were not porportional to my waist.

Billy T.
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That supplement is he recommended is junk, a pro hormone. Pro-hormones do worse to the body than regular steroids. Tell him to eat right and he'll be fine. Ever read the ingredients in the supplements, you can't even pronounce some of the chemicals and you want to ingest them. Stick with regular food......eggs, chicken, meat, fish, vegetables, sweet potatoes, etc, etc, etc. Unless you make the shake yourself using natural ingredients, all those protein shakes are garbage and full of chemicals.

In my 20+ years of powerlifting, I learned a thing or two. I lifted heavy and my weight went up 265lb. area. Now I dropped down to the 205 area and feel great. Ask the guys that saw me recently how I look. Take my advice, there is alot of wear and tear on the body lifting heavy. I still workout but cut back drastically on the weights.

As long as your son is fit, it'll be alot easier on him health wise and clothes wise. I had to buy XXL to XXXL to get my shoulder girdle to fit in the shirts and the rest of the shirt was like a nightgown. Couldn't find a regular pair of jeans to fit me because my legs were not porportional to my waist.

Billy T.
gnxtc2@aol.com
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Yep thanks coach and Billy. We had a nice conversation tonight about this. I really do appreciate it. No matter how good the kid is they think the dad is just harping on them. All you guys have helped.

When I showed him your picture from BG in 2009 he said this guy is telling me this :p. Get to t6p Billy :confused:.
 
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