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Mark Hueffman - Owner
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OK, so did I REALLY need to do this? Probably not, but what the hell, why not?

Have always been chasing a fuel pressure issue, could never get a good 1 to 1 fuel pressure rise and this is what started this whole thing. After changing EVERYTHING except for the factory fuel lines and still not getting the pressure I wanted I decided to do the whole system over. Not here to listen to naysayers or you should drill out the stock lines etc, this is what I decided to do and just sharing.

Scored some new billet fuel rails and that is where I started. Also made a deal for a new Racetronix double pumper with the AN ends and braided lines. Using Fragola black anodized fittings along with their Teflon braided lines. Couldn't decide if I should dual feed the rails or single feed with one return to an external regulator. Figured I might as well go all the way so double feed was the way I went.

Stock fuel lines from the frame up to the rail along with the stock return were removed intact, quite a bit of work to get those suckers off. Running -8 from the tank up to the front of the car and then splitting to two lines to the rails in the front. Running the line along the driver's frame rail and up along the back of the inner fenderwell where it splits with a y fitting to the two feed lines.

Return lines are running along the driver's side of the intake manifold and down the front of the motor where the stock fuel lines ran to the Aeromotive regulator I mounted to the frame rail with a custom made bracket. The return goes thru the frame where the stock feed line was.

Now to make all this easier, I had already removed the EGR and all related parts. Also removed the vapor canister and the lines for that, going to run a vent off the tank in the back.

The billet rails make it necessary to raise the coil bracket as it now mounts to the top of the billet rail brackets. Raised it with some 1" spacers on the manifold, also have it tilting just a bit to so the spark plug wires clear the wiper arms.

I had previously done all my vacuum lines with braided hose so I had to reroute things a bit there but nothing too complicated. I have a mechanical fuel pressure gauge as well as a transducer that I use to log pressure, drilled and tapped the fuel log for the mechanical and the transducer is hooked up to the fuel pressure regulator.

Still playing around with the wiring in the motor compartment so just realize the early pictures are of a work in progress. Pretty busy around here so put in a few hours here and there on this project. Got all winter to finish.

I am using a fuel filter from Canton since I sell some of their products and they are in my back yard. I am mounting it on the underside of the trunk in front of the tank. Got a great product I am using to mount it without drilling any holes. Click Bond makes these great standoffs that uses aircraft type adhesive and special fixtures that hold everything in place while the adhesive cures. Got some pics included here. I bolted on the brackets for the filter and hung by them to put them to the test and they didn't budge. Have used these in the past on other projects.

So here is where things sit as of 1-21-13.

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More! Click Bond fasteners I was talking about and Canton fuel filter mounted.

Some shots of fuel rails installed. Didn't like how the fuel rails could move a bit forward and back so drilled and tapped the brackets and put some set screws in them.
 

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interested in this- will it be set up for use with e-85, what will everything cost?
 
More! Don't mind the blue stuff all over the place, painters tape to protect my polished valve covers.:) Any place the braided line might rub against something I have put wire conduit over. Hope to have motor compartment all done this coming weekend and then will work my way back to the rear of the car with final routing of the lines and wiring.
 

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interested in this- will it be set up for use with e-85, what will everything cost?
You don't want to know!! Will probably have around $1200 or so in it. Fittings is what kills you the most on a project like this. Hope to recoup a few $$ when I sell the stuff I am taking off.
 
this is misleading.... i had my hopes up of seeing a big fat Holley Carb.

Haven't owned a Holley carb for almost 18 years now! Last car I had with a Holley had two of them.
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Funny how they called my Chevelle a daily driver.:eek: It was driven a lot though even from CT to PA for Super Chevy shows numerous times. And I don't miss having a Holley carb though I do miss the car.
 
Haven't owned a Holley carb for almost 18 years now! Last car I had with a Holley had two of them.View attachment 180687

Funny how they called my Chevelle a daily driver.:eek: It was driven a lot though even from CT to PA for Super Chevy shows numerous times. And I don't miss having a Holley carb though I do miss the car.

Super cool mang... Love seeing ads with cars like that and here i am talking to the owner.
 
Im sure w todays gas prices youre def not missing the twin holley andnlower! Lol
 
Im sure w todays gas prices youre def not missing the twin holley andnlower! Lol

Chevelle would actually get better mileage than my Dodge Hemi Ram if I didn't get on it.:) Had a Doug Nash 5 speed in it that had a 3.27 first gear ratio. Ford 9" rear had 3.89 gears and with the 33" tall rear tires it ran real nice on the highway.
 
Where did you get the fuel rails? Did they need to be modified to bolt to the intake. Very nice. Alot of braided lines on that engine!!!
 
Back to pics, pictures of putting pumps in tank, hooked up braided lines to pump, modified stock rubber block to fit the new lines, wrapped with wire conduit so braid doesn't rub on tank.
 

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Some more misc stuff, shows y block where line splits to dual feed the rails and how I fed the supply line up the back of the inner fenderwell, wiring getting close to finalized.

Need to finish up the harness at the rear of the car, debating whether to use my KenneBell boost a pump that was already installed. Was for a single pump so can't use it to boost both pumps, maybe will use it for the primary pump, not sure yet. Suppose I could just try the double pumper first to see how that goes, can always wire in the boost a pump later.
 

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Need to finish up the harness at the rear of the car, debating whether to use my KenneBell boost a pump that was already installed. Was for a single pump so can't use it to boost both pumps, maybe will use it for the primary pump, not sure yet. Suppose I could just try the double pumper first to see how that goes, can always wire in the boost a pump later.
I don't think you will have any problem with fuel pressure. I doubt you will need the KB BAP. I have the Racetronix DP with Aeromotive pumps and still using stock lines. I am probably 600 RWHP (with more to go). You do nice work. thanks for sharing. I may be doing the same very soon. I will see how far the stock lines take it.
 
Update, everything is plumbed and wired. Yesterday I finally got to the point where I could turn the key to check for leaks, etc. Unfortunately the last fitting I assembled leaked right after the fuel filter.:( Also, fuel gauge is pinned past full and I only have about 2-3 gallons in the tank.:mad: Brand new double pumper setup, made sure the float wasn't hanging up on anything when I installed in the tank. Pumps went in fairly easy without forcing anything.

Didn't feel like pulling the supply line back out to cut it and since I had fuel in the line was leery about cutting it with a hacksaw under the car. Got a cable cutter from HD and sliced thru the -8 line like butter. Redid the fitting and all seems good now. Just have to tackle why the gauge isn't working but sure don't feel like dropping the tank again! One thing I wish I had done is to plumb in a schrader valve to relieve pressure if needing to work on the fuel system.
 
OK, just about finished up finally. Had a few setbacks but most projects like this will challenge you at times. Fuel sending unit proved to be bad so had to drop the tank to fix it. Thanks to Racetronix for the excellent customer service, got me another sender quickly. I ended up taking the one off my single pump I pulled out and swapped it to the double pumper and all was good. Will put the new one on my old pump so I can sell it.

While I had the tank down I decided to plumb in a Schrader valve so I can relieve pressure easily if I need to. Teed off the external regulator where I had the transducer for fuel pressure plumbed. Ironically I had another fitting issue after putting the tank back in the car and pressurizing the system back up. Finally figured out it was the feed line connected to the sending unit so down came the tank again! Now I have been putting together braided lines for 30 years now and never had this kind of bad luck with them leaking. Using Fragola fittings with teflon braided lines, not blaming the fittings but seems odd to be having these problems. Knew I should have pressure tested them before I put on the car, oh well. All seems good now.

While I was at it I decided to replumb the BOV on the car and make it into a recirculating one. Tial came out with a bottom piece to the one I have that allows the conversion. Drilled a hole in my MAF pipe and had my welder put on an aluminum connector and a 4" long silicone hose was put on. Won't get the ricer whoosh any more but that if fine with me.

Here are some more pics. You can see a couple of pics with the jumpers for the fuel pumps and indicator lights showing from under the chrome relay cover. Once I am sure everything is finished these will be tucked away out of sight.

Decided not to use the indicator lights as I had a voltmeter set up to work in conjunction with my Kenne Bell boostapump which I decided to remove from the car since it shouldn't be needed with the double pumper. Rather than remove the voltmeter too I wired it into the double pumper harness so it will show voltage when the secondary pump comes on. Put GM weather proof connectors on both pump wires so I can switch the voltmeter to either pump as needed.
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