NASTY!!

[Chuck Leeper]

This is where your in-tank fuel line ends up, when it's common fuel hose. The E10 didn't help.
These are out of a turbo Supra. The entire system had to be replaced. Still not sure if I can save the injs....

The basket in the lower left is a new part.

 

[gnfanatic]

Did he blow up the motor??

 

[Joeld]

Yeouch, are those the filters within the injetors? Can you pull injectors appart and clean them?
Joel

 

[Squid4life]

Yeouch, are those the filters within the injetors? Can you pull injectors appart and clean them?
Joel

Chuck can.

Speaking of, i need to send you my 60s asap!

 

[Chuck Leeper]

Did he blow up the motor??

The story I got was the car sat for a long time. When started , it was running poorly. The shop wisely started at the fuel system, and cleaned it from the tank forward...[They are also installing a second filter just B4 the inj rail.]
I've run the injs for 3-10min cleaning cycles, and let them soak over nite. We'll see this Am.
The injs are also contaminated w/ some water. Some of the crud you see on the baskets got past the filters. This is why one should not use in-tank cleaner w/ serious crud issues. In this case, it would only wash the crap further into the delicate parts of the inj.

 

[Chuck Leeper]

Yeouch, are those the filters within the injetors? Can you pull injectors appart and clean them?
Joel

Joel, the production style injs cannot be disassembled. [However, some custom made, hi dollar pieces can, such as ID and Moran].
The filters are pressed into the inlet, and are removed w/ a tool, prior to flow testing. [Don't want to push the crud into the flow fluid system.] However, I have done that, just to prove a point. The customer claimed the cleaning screwed up his injs.
Here's a B4 and after of the test. The ONLY change was the removal of the filters. BTW, these are also out of a turbo Supra. It did result in several toasted pistons. He demanded I pay for the damage...My sweet, easy going nature prevailed, and I re-cleaned them for free, then threw his ass out of my shop!!

 

[Nick Micale]

Your post has me concerned Chuck, as we have converted a few TR's to e-85, and of course most of them still have some 25 year old rubber hose in the fuel delivery system.

Since our turbo cars have factory FI hose, do you consider this "common fuel hose"?

Is there a chance our original rubber lines in these-85 cars could also send debris that would get by a factory-type fuel filter?

Last question, did anyone video the "invitation" to the Supra customer exiting your shop, it would be priceless I'm sure?

 

[Joeld]

wow, didn't really think all that through. Is there a way tor and average joe to do a check to see if there are any issues? I'm thinking I may need to replace as they are original if nothing else. thanks for the post, I'm thinking all of your evidence proved the point that the pistons are not on you, people will fight hard though when it is money.
Joel

 

[Chuck Leeper]

Your post has me concerned Chuck, as we have converted a few TR's to e-85, and of course most of them still have some 25 year old rubber hose in the fuel delivery system.

Since our turbo cars have factory FI hose, do you consider this "common fuel hose"?

Is there a chance our original rubber lines in these-85 cars could also send debris that would get by a factory-type fuel filter?

Last question, did anyone video the "invitation" to the Supra customer exiting your shop, it would be priceless I'm sure?

As near as I can tell, this issue started when this current car had the big injs and fuel pump added. The fuel in the injs didn't smell like E85, but closer to reg fuel that had been in the tank for a loonnng time. I've done some testing on "common fuel hose, vs in-tank hose. Let it soak for a few months. The common was shedding the black goo. [One can tell the difference when the a/p guy writes up the bill!! Common = $<$1 a ft. The "good stuff" $18/ft!]

Most certainly, original hose was never intended to be subjected to junk fuel....

As for the filter... The shop reported the crud was in the filter. I found it had gotten by, as the injs were near junk.

The "invite to vacate" was backed up by the guy that came w/ the idiot. He had enuf common sense to leave. The idiot had threatened to "call his lawyer". WTF??
The idiot was under the impression that I had put the filters in, and they were the cause of the flow issues...I flowed them w/ the filter, then w/o...No measurable diff. That helped defuse the situation.
That was the only real issue I've had since I started in 1994...

 

[Chuck Leeper]

wow, didn't really think all that through. Is there a way tor and average joe to do a check to see if there are any issues? I'm thinking I may need to replace as they are original if nothing else. thanks for the post, I'm thinking all of your evidence proved the point that the pistons are not on you, people will fight hard though when it is money.
Joel

I use an "otoscope" to take a look in the filter baskets. [That's what the doc looks in your ears with. <$30 on the Bag.] They are neat for reading plugs, too!
As for orig hose: I've had some that were original, at 20+ yrs, that were stiff, and make a crunching sound when bent.
Indicating to me that the lining cracking.