Need Alky Help Please!!

[GNJoe86]

I'm thinking of switching from 110oct to 93 w Alky. That being said I need to know a few things: 1) What is the most boost I could expect to run, is there a limit? 2) Progressive kits are the new thing on the market right? 3) Methenal and water is the best option? 4) any other alky info in laymans terms is appreciated!!

Thanks, Joe.

 

[WeSS]

alky ?

I'm thinking of switching from 110oct to 93 w Alky. That being said I need to know a few things: 1) What is the most boost I could expect to run, is there a limit? 2) Progressive kits are the new thing on the market right? 3) Methenal and water is the best option? 4) any other alky info in laymans terms is appreciated!!

Thanks, Joe.

in a turbo buick community 25 is the norm. We have customers running 30 in tr's. Your choice. We have dsm guys running in excess of 40. Depends on your goals & your wallet. Remember the alky will allow for your turbocharger to create more power. Thus inflicting more wear & tear on drivetrain. No water. Water is for aquariums. You want a detonation suppressant. Something that will burn too. Not being biased just do your research then you will find out that most love the alkycontrol. Proven winner! You will need to tune it. Without tuning your mod racing. TT eric marshall alky chips are a great compliment. I have ran as much as my 30 psi gauge would allow with the alky. Zero knock retard on my scanmaster. You need an on the fly scantool with the ability to monitor knock. Good luck.

 

[GNJoe86]

So basicly there is no limit to the alky, if you knock you just add alittle more untill the knock goes away right? I have a knock sensor and a scanmaster. I was just worried that you could add to much alky.

 

[WeSS]

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Unlike nitrous when you add to much alky your just making the car nose dive on power. You dont add alky to compensate for fueling problems. You turn up the boost, add alky to fight detonation, the further you add boost you adjust fueling parameters with the alky as the anti detonation/intake air temp cooler.

 

[justabuickv6]

See below. You can't delete post and I posted twice on accident.

 

[justabuickv6]

As stated by one of the above post, I try to keep mine around 25. I have successfully ran 28 with no knock. All on 93 octane, Eric Marshall 24/19 alky chip. DIY alky kit. (Steve Monroe setup) No controller. M15 nozzle.

 

[JoeNational]

I have ran 11.69 at 116.95 on 93 and alky (using the alkycontrol setup).

I ran 25+ psi. I added the + because my guage only reads up to 25psi and it was pegged. Zero knock. This is using Methanol and TT's 93/alky chip. Good luck you will not be dissapointed.

 

[Grumpy]

"Alky" rules !!!! Melissa's car went 10.6 @ 129 with 25#s of boost

 

[pacecarta]

alky and 93 , times in sig

 

[Razor]

So basicly there is no limit to the alky, if you knock you just add alittle more untill the knock goes away right? I have a knock sensor and a scanmaster. I was just worried that you could add to much alky.

This is where having a controller lets you tweak your system in. Vs changing nozzle sizes and messing with pressure.

Becuase a car can run 25 PSI boost flooded with alcohol doesnt make it fast.. the proper amount of alcohol is needed to get the power to go where it needs to be.

I've seen Buicks at 25 PSI run 13's, and i've seen Buicks at 20 PSI run in the 10's.

HTH

 

[GNJoe86]

So the way U adjust the alky is either by changing the Jet or nozzle and adding pump voltage. or by using one of those progressive kits where you basicly set an on and off boost level and then the kit decides the pump voltage based on the boost level. Right?
Let me know if im on the right track.

Thanks for all info guys, Please keep it coming!

 

[Razor]

So the way U adjust the alky is either by changing the Jet or nozzle and adding pump voltage. or by using one of those progressive kits where you basicly set an on and off boost level and then the kit decides the pump voltage based on the boost level. Right?
Let me know if im on the right track.

Thanks for all info guys, Please keep it coming!

You cant add pump voltage when your at the cars voltage. So it starts at a lower voltage then ramps up giving you the delivery. Some pumps allow you to adjust pressure output. This is on a DIY setup.

On the progressive controller, the ramp has to be curved to meet your engines requirements. So they all dont work the same way. many companies market these devices now days.

What I do, is plug-n-play for a TR. And this comes from doing 100's of systems on Turbo Regals. If the engne is in proper running order and a matching chip is used.

HTH

 

[wbrophy]

The other week Friday the 13 at Cecil with a non-lockup and 275/60 mt drag radials "spinning" (1.75 $hity 60ft, on 2lb launch) and serious trans flare on the auto shifts all that I could muster was a 10.6 @ 130 mph with 18/maybe 19 lbs of boost (no marks on VDO gage between 15 and 20 lbs.) using 93 with some Razor alky. Car has put down 1.4's on a 4/5 lb. foot brake launch before with 28 by 10 slicks. "Gee" with a better 60 and trans I may have ran a lower 10 at the same boost; and I was using the 18 degree TT street chip.
NOTE TO SELF: Must get trans fixed; than it's slick, ME-R (no MAF) and boost time.

 

[GNJoe86]

I'm not sure I understand the DIY setup, this is the older non progressive style setup? it seems that all setups are boost controlled correct (at one point or another the boost line connects with the alky controls)? I got a deal offered to me for an older style kit, the one with the pump inside the bottle it looked to be in good condition for 200. Should I consider or is it more problems to tune than its worth. Also I believe I can only run denatured alky with this kit, Is that a huge disadvantage to using methenal. I plan to run high boost on 93 so keep that in mind.

Thanks again guys! Joe.

 

[JoeNational]

I can only speak from experience with Razor's kit but I would go and spend the money up front (not that it is all that expensive) and drop an alky control kit in. I and many others have proven the system through very high boost numbers as you can read from my pervious post. Also the customer service is great, when you call you actually get the man himself. Once again this is just from my personal experience and I will only run Methanol in my car. I guess take it for what its worth.

PS.. My 11.69 run is not even the most she can do. I am in a constant battle with my suspension which will be upgraded this winter.

EDIT: Also meant to add that wouldn't you rather spend the money knowing you have a proven system instead of not really knowing and possibly causing much much bigger problems which will cost 10 times the amount of the kit itself.

 

[GNJoe86]

so basicly your saying don't buy the used kit buy an alky control kit. But what is an alky control kit? When you say you run high boost what is the most boost you have run?

 

[Razor]

Alkycontrol is the name of my company. The kit in reference is made for the Turbo Regals.

The problem isnt the boost, but the state of tune your engine is in, physical condition, etc. All those play a role. How long has it been beat on, how many times overboosted, how many times detonated, etc.

Typically its 25-27 PSI on a healthy motor.

There are GN's running way past 30 PSI on pump gas with the system. Can yours.. impossible to answer unless you start tweaking on it. I know of one on the second screw autometer 30 PSI guage

If you need information on the kit, please feel free to call. Or use the search function.. plenty of posts on this board

HTH

Julio

 

[pacecarta]

no one can tell you what to do , but he is saying he wouldnt take the risk on a used system with his engine when the cost difference for the alycontroll PAC is only about 350 bucks
, as for whats alkycontrol alkycontrol.com thats is what i run and regularly run 25+ ( 30+ once) on my stock motor 87 , now running razors kit in my 86 ,

alky is basically a chemical intercooler and an octane improver
by keeping the air charge cool you can get away with more boost and timing , net result is more power if balanced properly , alkycontrol makes getting to this balance much easier.
a larger intercooler (big bucks$$) and tank full of race gas would net same results but for me race gas which would either have to be drained all the time to run 93 for long trips , the residual 93 left in tank also leads to a unpure race mix in the tank so octane isnt as consistent ,the high cost of race gas very time you head for the track (for me thats often) ,fouled o2 sensors from leaded race gas, if you get smogged at inspection you cant run a cat converter for long with race gas and if you choose to remove you have to worry about a spot stop and fines , and the added heat in summer from a frontmount arent things i could liive with ,
i went alkycontrol , kept the stock intercooler and fill up at any gas station , i am happy with the results

read the stickey on tuning with alky at top of forum and read all you can about tuning and get the tools to watch for knock and o2s , nothing that adds power will come without a price , if you mess up it can cost you , buicks need even more attention to avoid knock at all costs and a functioning alky system will help you to do just that on 93 octane

be warned the rest of the car needs to be in good shape before upping boost or its weakness will show

 

[JoeNational]

Yes, Julio(Razor) and Paul hit it on the head on what I was getting at. The system is proven and worth the difference in money from that old used system that you dont know much about. I have run 25+ on this kit with zero knock. Like stated before do a lot of research, I thought about putting the sytem and researched for about 2 years before I actually went and installed it. If you have detailed questions on exact tune and installation then give a call to Julio and he will gladly help you out. You can also do a lot of reading as this topic is one that is often replicated. If you car is tuned properly and running well on its own without the alky then you too can run some high boost numbers once again providing everything else is in proper working order. I would not play with high boost if it wasn't. Lets say you spend an extra $350 on a good known kit, that can save you from thousands later on. Which one makes more sense? My worst fear is blowing a head gasket or worse. Hope this all helps.

Thanks,

 

[justabuickv6]

Can it be done on a DIY kit? Yes. I did it. Would I do it again? Only if I were limited on funds. I would've loved to have had an AlkyContols kit.

That being said, it was very easy. I didn't go to the track all that often so tuning it took a long time.

I still would love to have a PAC controller from Julio (Razor). I just don't have the funds right now. I have the car tuned pretty well so I don't know how much of a difference it would make.

Maybe I can talk Julio in to giving up for free and call it R&D.