New Bench mark

[Spoolin Hooligan]

With new technology coming out allowing more power and faster cars from the factory. Is it safe to say in the coming years. That the 10 sec bench mark that alot of street legal drags covet will be moved lower maybe to 9's or 8's. I say this after seeing the new Mustang GT500. Someone posted a video of it running 9's after a tune, slicks and a few other things. Hoping GM can counter that soon. Anyway getting back to my point. I wouldnt be suprised in 5 to 10 years the newer muscle cars will be running 10's of the factory floor. Thats if we arent flying around in hover cars by then.

 

[novaderrik]

quarter mile times are cool and all and are a good measure of the car's ability to harness as much power as possible, but i get more impressed when a production car puts down impressive numbers on a road course.

 

[Spoolin Hooligan]

quarter mile times are cool and all and are a good measure of the car's ability to harness as much power as possible, but i get more impressed when a production car puts down impressive numbers on a road course.

i imagine it cost alot of money to make are big bricks run solid road course

 

[coach]

With new technology coming out allowing more power and faster cars from the factory. Is it safe to say in the coming years. That the 10 sec bench mark that alot of street legal drags covet will be moved lower maybe to 9's or 8's. I say this after seeing the new Mustang GT500. Someone posted a video of it running 9's after a tune, slicks and a few other things. Hoping GM can counter that soon. Anyway getting back to my point. I wouldnt be suprised in 5 to 10 years the newer muscle cars will be running 10's of the factory floor. Thats if we arent flying around in hover cars by then.

This is the thing alot of guys DON'T realize. Low 11's and 10's were pretty easy with any REAL musclecar from the 60's. The thing is a 454 Chevelle or 428 Mustang WASN'T a REAL musclecar. My 64 Max Wedge car as a Stage III would rip low 11's all day long. My 65 Super Stock Plymouth is an easy high 10 sec car. The early 62 421 Pontiac's were easy low 11 cars too. The problem is and always will be this...The name Musclecar was given to too many 335hp panzy ass Camaros and Vettes and Mustangs, and the REAL monster horsepower cars were your full size factory cars.
Just this past Saturday I heard a guy saying his new Camaro weighs something like 3800-4000lbs. My Max Wedge car makes about 560hp. It weighs 3380lbs. Its a foot or 2 longer then the new Camaro. Looks like a Grandma car, but would kick the shit out of the Camaro without even really trying.
The phrase "Musclecar" doesnt mean anything anymore. It was ruined years ago. Do you really think that EVERY really big engine in the 60's only made 425hp??? That's all they could advertise. A few stretched it to 430 and then in 70 the LS6 pushed it to 450. My Max was about 480 or more as ordered. The 64 RACE HEMI cars were damn near 600, when tuned.
In my opinion the best musclecar ever built, including todays cars, is still the 66 427 AC COBRA. Weight to horsepower will NEVER be touched in that capacity ever ever again. It went 12.2 in the 1/4 in 1966 in all factory trim. Imagine with a set of todays drag radials...11.8 or better off the showroom floor...no tuning.

 

[John Larkin]

I think coach is right. 14s were the norm for late 60s - early 70s production musclecars. Those big Pontiacs put out some torque. And the Max Wedge cars mentioned were equally threatening. They were the real production race cars, even aluminum front sheetmetal options from the factory. And yes new cars are unbelievable heavy with all the safety equipment. No wonder MPG has not really increased over the years even with all the technology. A PT Cruiser weighs 4100 lbs! My minivan weighs almost 6000!

 

[coach]

I think coach is right. 14s were the norm for late 60s - early 70s production musclecars. Those big Pontiacs put out some torque. And the Max Wedge cars mentioned were equally threatening. They were the real production race cars, even aluminum front sheetmetal options from the factory. And yes new cars are unbelievable heavy with all the safety equipment. No wonder MPG has not really increased over the years even with all the technology. A PT Cruiser weighs 4100 lbs! My minivan weighs almost 6000!

I have lived the "Real" musclecars since birth. My father was sponsored by Strausbaugh Dodge in 1964-65-66. He owned a 1964 Dodge 440 lightweight HEMI car. It started life as a 383 and when the HEMI was released in June, it was ordered and shipped. They applied for the lightweight parts that fall and recieved them in time for the 65 season. Uncle Sam drafted him in 66 and cut his racing short so he could go fight "Charlie". We now own a 64 Max and a 65 426 Super Stock Plymouth 4-speed car. (Factory appearing Clone)
I bet not too many people know this...the 1962 Pontiac Catalina Super Duty 4-speed was the fastest full size car ever produced. 1962 Motor Trend Magazine tested it to 12.20's in factory form. It was a lightweight car with aluminum sheet metal and the famous Pontiac "swiss cheese" frame. I cannot remember how much it weighed, but had to be 3200 or less.
The 60's big block cars only needed the carb secondary weighs removed and the dist locked out. Crank up the timing and set the valve lash to where it should be and Holy Horsepower increase.

 

[John Larkin]

It was said that one 421 Catalina had a factory 0-60 time of about 4.2 seconds. I think it was a '63 but not sure. That's some get up and go.

 

[coach]

It was said that one 421 Catalina had a factory 0-60 time of about 4.2 seconds. I think it was a '63 but not sure. That's some get up and go.

63 was a tri-power. The 62 was a bad ass dual 4bbl set-up. Different heads too.