Have you installed a trans temp gauge on a car before to see if it really makes that big of a difference? I have not thought of this before. I am curious at how effective this can be. I don't run my turbo shield for the same purposes.didnt have one when the car was bought. i perfer to run without one anyway.. lets some of the heat out from the converter
seems to me, and this is just me, that there is an even split here of both those that love to hate the headers and those that love to modify them after purchase. I could just be thinking logically here, but if these headers require modifications, and many at that, to fit our cars properly, even though they advertise them to fit, Wouldn't it make sense to NOT purchase them and address the problem to the manufacturers that they dont fit, and if we dont buy them, they have no choice but to fix the problem to make money? I mean, we ARE the TR community, we ARE the TARGET CONSUMER, They cant go to someone else to sell these headers, it stops right here, with us. I am aware that the customer support is none, and that these are made more than likely in a communist country, but this thread was started around the same time I needed new headers, (drivers side go bang), and so far I hear alot of negativity towards them, and positivity towards inexpensive "fixes" to get your car back on the road with youre newly modified new headers. Be part of the solution, or keep it to yourself, you give them money, they no fixy the bad workmanship. Thats just my .02, but what do I know, I didnt stay at a Holiday Inn last night
I wonder what percentage of the buyers on ebay are members of this board? maybe half? maybe less? A lot of buyers don't do the bulletin board thing like we do.
Also, I thought that some buyers had tried to contact the seller but they either got no reply or were told they don't care?
It would make sense to me that if you had a pair that didn't fit, and you tried to contact the seller and got nothing for your efforts, that you would want to leave negative (or neutral) feedback saying that the headers won't fit without SERIOUS modifications. If all the buyers that had problems did that, maybe the seller would do something, maybe not. The seller has like 1,000 sales a day or something, so they may not even care...
That's what I don't understand. It seem that everybody (to a man) that has bought the cheap headers off ebay, have had to "cut this" or "cut that", or modify them in one form or another just to get them to mount up in the car (not on an engine stand)
Why then isn't there more negative feedback being left about fitment????
That's what I don't understand. It seem that everybody (to a man) that has bought the cheap headers off ebay, have had to "cut this" or "cut that", or modify them in one form or another just to get them to mount up in the car (not on an engine stand)
Why then isn't there more negative feedback being left about fitment????
great product, only had to get new motor mounts, reweld a few joints, buy new clamps, beat on the crossover, weld in O2 bunghole, would recommend/buy again, A++++++.
I'll pass, I'll never surpass the stocker limits anyways.
That's what I don't understand. It seem that everybody (to a man) that has bought the cheap headers off ebay, have had to "cut this" or "cut that", or modify them in one form or another just to get them to mount up in the car (not on an engine stand)
Why then isn't there more negative feedback being left about fitment????
The reason some venture off and buy these is not always because they are exceeding the limits of the stockers. I bought mine because I was tired of constantly fixing cracked stockers. If the stockers never cracked as often as they do, I wouldn't have felt the need to try something else.
As far as exceeding limits, its like saying Ill never port my heads because I will never exceed the limits of bone stock heads. You port your heads to HELP performance...same reason you put a performance exhaust system on or cold air intake or larger turbos..
It takes all kinds. :wink: If my headers go south again, I'll buy the kirban replacement. I was just satiring the feedback statement. My reasoning for spending more money ceramic coating my stockers as opposed to buying the Ebay headers was the design itself. All that extra metal surface is way too much heat and pipe for me.
excellent point !!The bottom line is if you guys dont like the headers dont buy them .We all know customer service sucks ,so dont deal with them. I bought them knowing the mods i had to make .I did the fabbing & they fit great . Agian this tread is to help the people that bought the headers ,not to talk about why we should or should not purchase these poorly made product .