New Mustangs are slow

[BuickMike]

I'd put this in the kill section, but it's not Buick related.

Tonight on the way back from running to the store I caught a light with a new Mustang GT. I was driving my bone stock '05 Saab 92X (rebadged WRX Wagon). I took off kind of quick, but he did not bite. We both pulled up to a stop sign and to my suprise he launched hard. Damn! It's not easy to launch an AWD 5spd 4 banger with turbo lag at last seconds notice. Well, needless to say I wasn't ready so he pulled an immedate car on me and I was at his tail. As I got into it I stayed right at his back bumper and he was on it hard. He actually barked 2nd and 3rd real good. By the time I got in 4th I actually was pulling up slowly and then we both let off. I think both cars are well matched and a win would be based on who gets the better launch.
What's wierd is my ride is only good for 14.5's or so and I thought the Mustang GT's are quicker than that. I wasn't very impressed. I guess I should have known the outcome since I have embarassed plenty of 4.6 Rustangs in my Saabaru. Anyways, thought I'd share.

 

[suicide six]

These stangs are heavy and hp isnt all that great. they look good. and insurance companys still think they are on the hot list. 260 to 300 hp isnt that much higher than a stock gn.

 

[Blown&Injected]

Was in a waiting room reading and waiting last week. Thought the Motor Treand said 13.50 @ 105 for the GT and 13.9 @ high 90's for the WRX, looks like awd traction helped get it into the 13's but the V8 power gets it well into the 13's with some mph.
Wonder why they are dragging their feet on the Cobra version - that is the supercharged one - right?

 

[Vector]

Hey Blown&Injected,
You, done, used have a list of mods in a personalized signature.
What happened?

 

[BuickMike]

Was in a waiting room reading and waiting last week. Thought the Motor Treand said 13.50 @ 105 for the GT and 13.9 @ high 90's for the WRX, looks like awd traction helped get it into the 13's but the V8 power gets it well into the 13's with some mph.
Wonder why they are dragging their feet on the Cobra version - that is the supercharged one - right?

The mags rated my car at 14.5 @ 92mph. I've seen vids of 05 GT's running 14.0's to 13.8's. I was suprised that I could hang with this guy. I have a buddy with a 04 Lightning with a K&N that runs mid 13's and he handed my a$$ to me in my Saab. Of course we're even now since I gave him a severe beating with the GN a couple months back.

 

[waldo786]

Could also be driver error...I mean they did buy a mustang after all

 

[BuickMike]

Could also be driver error...I mean they did buy a mustang after all

LOL, maybe. This guy did know how to launch it and there was no slack between shifts at all. Maybe this particular car was a factory dog. Maybe my Saab is a factory freak. Who knows.

I did run into another 05 GT in the Saabaru once before and pulled a couple cars on it. It was obvious in that case that the guy couldn't drive. He bogged off the line and I could tell he shifted bad from the way the car nosed down between shifts.

I have been able to hang with or slightly pull on other cars out there that are supposed to run 14.1's or so: 350Z, Audi S4 Cabriolet, SRT4. I ran an Evo VIII once and he pulled a couple car lengths.

 

[Grumpy]

driver error ??? like you have never scene a 14 sec Buick

 

[lieu910]

To say an '05 Mustang is slow is really not accurate. Like them or not they are capable of 13 second 1/4 mile times in the right hands. They are a performance bargain and have a huge aftermarket also. One encounter is not indicative of what those cars are capable of.

 

[BuickMike]

I really like the new mustangs. I actually wanted one until I saw the interior. However, I haven't seen one break out of the 14.0's in my neck of the woods. Sure, the car is as good as the driver, but I am pretty rusty on racing a 5 speed car myself. When I ran this guy I launched horrible and even eased it into second. In my opinion he was a good driver considering his launch and crisp shifts. Like I said before, he barked second and third gear good. I'm just saying that a mid 13 second car should've whooped me bad, even with a mediocre driver because I'm not that good myself. Again, this is not my first encounter with an '05 Mustang GT, I beat one before by a couple car lengths but it was obvious that the owner of that car was a bad driver.

 

[thunderace31]

I am with BuickMike on this one!
They look cool but at our local Track Milan Dragway I and my Friends have yet to see one go better than a 14.0 on the track. One went 13.80 but he had a cold air kit, Exaust, and who knows what else done to it.

They are super heavy cars a friend ran one accross a scale and it was 4104lbs!! Now he was in the car and I could say knock about 200 off but thats not that good!

Again they look real nice but there are many other cars in this price area that I would buy first. (Hummm dont like 4 doors but damn the new Charger sure is nice!)
Oh and we have seen BONE STOCK CHARGERS GO 13.50's!! and they were not SRT8's!

 

[lieu910]

I am with BuickMike on this one!
They look cool but at our local Track Milan Dragway I and my Friends have yet to see one go better than a 14.0 on the track. One went 13.80 but he had a cold air kit, Exaust, and who knows what else done to it.

They are super heavy cars a friend ran one accross a scale and it was 4104lbs!! Now he was in the car and I could say knock about 200 off but thats not that good!

Again they look real nice but there are many other cars in this price area that I would buy first. (Hummm dont like 4 doors but damn the new Charger sure is nice!)
Oh and we have seen BONE STOCK CHARGERS GO 13.50's!! and they were not SRT8's!

Well, what's "slow" to one person is respectable to another. I have no problem with a factory car running a low 14 high 13 for the kind of money thay are asking. By the way, everything is heavy now. You would think technology would mean lighter cars, and to some extent that is true, but cars are heavier. Luckily, there are some serious motors out there to move these things around. Funny, my 69 roadrunner weighed about 3,400 lbs! My SRT8 weighs about 4180 lbs. Computers, sound-deadening, airbags, stereos, etc.

Regarding your experience with the hemi stuff. 13.50's with the 5.7 is really impressive. I personally have seen 13.8 with the 5.7's and have seen a best of 12.7 on a stock SRT8. Who the hell cares how many doors it has as long as you can blow the other guys off.

 

[Blown&Injected]

I really like my Bonneville and had considered some mods to crank it up a bit but when I took note of the weight of that thing; even with plastic fenders, I said forget it! WTH!?!?! With all the drive for better MPG's what's with all the weight!?!?!?

 

[BuickMike]

I really like my Bonneville and had considered some mods to crank it up a bit but when I took note of the weight of that thing; even with plastic fenders, I said forget it! WTH!?!?! With all the drive for better MPG's what's with all the weight!?!?!?

If you have a SSEi, basic mods actually make a nice difference. I had a 99 Regal GS with a 3.4 pulley, 72mm TB, Cold Air, Intense PCM, Trasher shift kit, and a cat back. Let me tell you, those mods made one hell of a difference on the butt dyno and gas mileage improved. The down side is that the 3.8 Supercharged motors tend to get finicky with mods just like ours. Also the stock tranny doesn't seem to last long after mods and the most likely thing to happen if the car is not running right is a chipped rringland off of the piston. My GS had 85K miles and was starting to show wear, so I traded it in on the Saabaru.

 

[got rice?]

all V8 so called "muscle cars" these days are a friggin joke. itty bitty horse power and weighing in at as much as my 71'455 GS. look at the new gto,that car is a$$ ugly,4000lbs and slow as blowing wet crap up a hill.no to mention over priced. thats why kids just go with hondas,and the kids with daddy's money go with wrx's. sadly,production muscle cars are dead.

 

[NEARING]

all V8 so called "muscle cars" these days are a friggin joke. itty bitty horse power and weighing in at as much as my 71'455 GS. look at the new gto,that car is a$$ ugly,4000lbs and slow as blowing wet crap up a hill.no to mention over priced. thats why kids just go with hondas,and the kids with daddy's money go with wrx's. sadly,production muscle cars are dead.

I wouldn't call 13.0's stock slow. Not fast but not slow.

 

[lieu910]

all V8 so called "muscle cars" these days are a friggin joke. itty bitty horse power and weighing in at as much as my 71'455 GS. look at the new gto,that car is a$$ ugly,4000lbs and slow as blowing wet crap up a hill.no to mention over priced. thats why kids just go with hondas,and the kids with daddy's money go with wrx's. sadly,production muscle cars are dead.

I could not disagree more. I've owned L72 & LS5 Chevelle's, BB Camaro's, Mopars, Old's and obviosly a TB. The fact that my SRT8 has 370 ci and will dyno as much HP as a 426 (about 460 gross) and get decent mileage is testiment to how much BETTER musclecars are today. Not to mention they can cruise all day long at 100mph with the a/c on and take a turn and brake. Old musclecars look and sound great - no doubt, but thay cannot hold a candle to some of the newer stuff in terms of performance. For example; my COPO L72 Chevelle could never break out of the 13's, was scary in a turn, and took two men and a small boy to stop. At 60 MPH it was beating it's brains out with the 4:10 in back. My SRT8 would suck the chrome off that car with the a/c on. Go ahead and bag on it for having 4-doors, but I like it for what it does. Tons more fun to drive than my older cars were.

Objectively - the new stuff is vastly superior in every way. Subjectively, they do not punch that emotional button like a classic - no disagreement there. Having owned new and old - I'm done with the old for a while anyway.

 

[got rice?]

when a 4 banger can blow 13's all day long and a new V8 GTO can barley keep up i think theirs something seriously wrong their.thats why i say production muscle cars are dead.anyone rush out and buy that hot new charger MORE DOOR???? thats my point in my argument.just my 2 cents though. oh, i forgot to mention i was talking about base production cars not saleens and stuff like that too.

 

[lieu910]

when a 4 banger can blow 13's all day long and a new V8 GTO can barley keep up i think theirs something seriously wrong their.thats why i say production muscle cars are dead.anyone rush out and buy that hot new charger MORE DOOR???? thats my point in my argument.just my 2 cents though. oh, i forgot to mention i was talking about base production cars not saleens and stuff like that too.

Bare something in mind though. People said the same when the TB made the scene. New GTO's can run 13's all day long as well as any 4-banger out there. I'll add this as well. How many old musclecars out there are running 13's? Answer: not as many as you might think. Go to pure stock drags and watch most of the big blocks running 14's - I've seen it. Only the guys that have bent the rules a bit and know how to tune are running really respectable times and that's a point of fact. Just FYI on the Charger "MORE DOOR" - they can't build them fast enough they sell like hot cakes.

I love the old stuff, and will go down that path again some day, but not for the performance - just the nostalgia.

 

[NEARING]

when a 4 banger can blow 13's all day long and a new V8 GTO can barley keep up i think theirs something seriously wrong their.thats why i say production muscle cars are dead.anyone rush out and buy that hot new charger MORE DOOR???? thats my point in my argument.just my 2 cents though. oh, i forgot to mention i was talking about base production cars not saleens and stuff like that too.

The ONLY 4 bangers running deep 13's are AWD $32k+ and have a little thing called a........ turbo........you may have heard of it.

The new GT's run hi 13's (stick car) with a fair driver and with a DR,tune and gear will run 12.7ish. And still get 25+mpg. That's on par with a 60's muscle car with a tire,exh and gear. Except for the gas milage.

Put a tire,exh, smaller pulley and a tune on a 03-04 Cobra you're looking 12.0's or faster.

A mild converter, DR, and a tune is all a 05 GTO needs to run low 12's through the factory exh.

I won't even talk about them Da#@ SRT8's. (Transmission envy).